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Deltarune Theory: The True Identity and Importance of “Everyman”

I’ve been away from the Undertale theory scene for a long time. It’s been so long that a whole new-fangled game got announced, and I’ve got some theories on it.

Are these theories about Gaster or Sans or whatever’s going on with Kris? Not exactly. At least, not yet. I’ve got a better character in mind.

Let’s start with Everyman: Undertale’s most obscure character and (I think) one of the most pivotal in Deltarune.

This is a two-part theory: the first part outlines who Everyman is and why I think he’ll be important in Deltarune. The second part? You’ll have to read and find out.

This is a long one and with loads of images, so strap yourselves in.

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"W.D. Gaster Gets Shattered Across Time And Space," 201X [REAL FOOTAGE] [SOUND ALLERT]

Edgy theory, what if gaster was a cheeto?

Fun goopy gaster theory

If Gaster were to suddenly get out of the void and be with his sons, I feel like after all the craziness he's been through, maybe he would've gained some new abilities while he was spacing out into nothingness. Like maybe turning himself in goop form at will and then back to his skele bod. Like one moment he can be chilling in his physical form, the next he can be freaked out and turn in to a egg.

ASGORE, Keeper of secrets?

So, there's something I've been stewing on for a while now. Specifically in regards to Asgore's decision not to leave the barrier after killing ONE human and taking their soul. I think back to something Toriel said during the True Pascifist route, and more importantly, how Asgore reacts to it.

WARNING! HUUUUGE TEXT WALL AHEAD. MUCH THEORIZING, A LOT OF SPECULATION.

Toriel is, of course, the character that calls Asgore out on choosing to wait for humans to fall instead of just taking the one soul they already had and going out to collect the remaining 6. But in spite of the faces Asgore was making at that point, it seemed like he just... rolled over too easily? It's true that his wife had just returned for the first time since their kids had died, so naturally he'd want to try and patch things over with her but... even still, it's suspicious just how hard he went out of his way to roll over.

And this right here is what makes me think he's doing this intentionally. I think he WANTS it to seem like he's giving up, as though he really wants everyone to believe that he was wallowing in his sorrow (not that he wasn't, mind you). All of that just to mask that there may have been another reason for him to have waited instead of going to the surface immediately.

Now, I'm not going to parrot any of the other discussion about weather Asgore would have actually been able to succeed in getting the remaining souls if he had absorbed the first (split control and whatnot). It's highly likely Asgore, Alphys and even the former royal scientist wouldn't have been fully aware of how fused souls would work. Besides, that's not as relevant to this hunch of mine as some other elements of the story.

Starting first with something during Asgore's Fight. the TALK ACT and the implications when using that ACT after dying during the fight.

These extra pieces of dialogue seem to imply that not only is Asgore AWARE that he's killed you before, but that he has some familiarity with the SAVE and LOAD powers. It would make sense for someone that has killed multiple humans to have some awareness of those abilities, but the only other characters that show the same awareness of player deaths are Flowey and Sans. That means that, like Flowey, Sans, Alphys, and even Papyrus to a certain extent, Asgore himself is aware--at the very least peripherally--of the timeline shennanigains. That puts him squarely in the camp of characters that know too much. As with most of the afformentioned characters, Asgore is keeping that knowlege pretty close to his chest. It seems he's even kept it from Toriel, seeing as she's not even remotely aware of the SAVE and LOAD powers that humans can have. It never even seems to have occured to her that it was a possibility ("Do you know something I do not?" comes to mind).

Before I touch on something else Asgore is probably keeping from Toriel, let's touch on one key facet of Toriel's character, and the parellel facet Asgore has. Toriel has often been said to be the "Brains" behind the kingdom. Most people seem to take this as Toriel strictly being the "smart" one of the pair, but I feel like that's too black and white of an approach, and it really sells Asgore's brand of intelligence short. I would actually say Toriel is the more LOGICALLY intelligent, or alternatively, she's very "book smart". She's good with point-to-point problem solving, no-nonsense, and very well educated (which makes sense considering her desire to be a teacher). However, she's not equiped to solve problems that aren't clean cut "good" or "bad". When it came to Asgore's declaration of War during a moment of grief, or when each fallen human confronted her and left the Ruins, she would choose to walk away instead of trying to leave and talk things through with Asgore. or even acompany one of the Humans. I believe this highlights something she is lacking, but Asgore has in spades.

If Toriel is considered to be the "Brains", Agore is most certainly the "Heart" behind the Royal family. It's no secret that Asgore is a very emotional guy. In particular he has good people skills, and it seems he gets along great with all of his subjects. From acting as Santa during the holidays to suffering grief in exchange for giving his subject hope, Asgore seems to have morale and emotions at the forefront of his mind. Asgore is someone with a lot of EMOTIONAL intelligence. He's not the best when it comes to numbers or logical cause and effect, but he's significantly better equipped to feel his way through uncertain situations. That's probably why, no matter how hard you try to talk him down, he's commited to fighting the last fallen human. He's doing what he FEELS is right, even if it's killing him inside. More importantly, he puts in a LOT of effort to hide it from everyone. It's no wonder people don't really comment on asgore beyond how nice he is: he's good at putting on a front.

Now that I've established that Asgore is far from stupid, let's put his emotional intelligence and his penchant for hiding emotionally devistating secrets into practice. Let's start with the first big secret he's probably keeping from Toriel, as it forms a solid example of his habits.

Let's talk about the tapes. More specifically, let's talk about an assumption Alphys makes that probably isn't true.

Alphys says she doesn't feel like Asgore has watched the tapes and yet... she grabbed them after snooping around inside the castle. Why would Asgore, someone whom has been dearly missing a time when his family was whole, not watch any of his family's home videos? Usually something like that would be the first place one would go when grieving, if only to hear the voices of their lost loved ones. I think Alphys's dialogue here is a form of misdirection. It's more likely that Asgore watched the tapes, but chose to keep their contents to himself once he put the pieces together. The biggest indicator for me that this is the case comes from his dialogue at the very end of his fight (provided you Spared Flowey on a previous run).

Asgore makes it a point to isolate the first fallen human from Asriel. Unlike Toriel, who lumps any and all of those children she deemed hers as one whole, Asgore makes it a point to keep them distinct. Now I don't mean to imply this is out of ill will. Far from it, in fact. It's clear Asgore cared deeply for the first human. That said, Asgore also watched as his son died, even with that human's SOUL absorbed. And even before that, Asgore watched as the human grew ill and died. As far as the greater majority of the underground knew it was an unkown sickness. But Asgore is distinct in that he had been unintentionally poisoned with Buttercups before. Even if his focus while the human was sick was attempting to help care for them in their final moments, the wake of their death and Asriel's would have certainly lead an emotional man like him to seek answers.

Now true, he's not as logically minded as Toriel, so the idea of poison induced suicide and a gambit with SOUL fusion probably wouldn't have crossed his mind at first (hell it didn't even seem to cross Toriel's mind). But being that he himself was really sick, I wouldn't doubt him at least teasing the possibility after some time mulling.

Considering how likely it is he would have watched some of his family's home videos to clear his head and remember things, there's no doubt in my mind he would have come across the video of Asriel and the first Human discussing the Buttercup incident, watched the recording of the human's last moments, and then finally put it all together. And to top it all off, he probably would have been kicking himself because he would have contributed to his son's death. Again, Asgore isn't as logical as Toriel, but he isn't STUPID. He'd be more than able to figure out that the first human chose to commit suicide in an effort to break the barrier. I genuinely think he did, and that's why he makes the human a distinct entity from Asriel. In a way he's acknowledging them as their own person, who made their own decisions based on what they felt was the right thing to do.

Of course, if what I'm saying is indeed true, putting all of this information together would have made already emotionally devestating events even more so. It would make sense of why he was so much more lethargic about the war, human souls and the like. It'd've been yet another thing for him to keep bottled up. Which, I'm certain he did, because if this kind of information wrecked his emotions that hard, imagine how TORIEL would have reacted. She's already pretty prone to snapping under enough emotional stress (See her death in the No Mercy route) so imagine how damaging this would have been to her. It's already pretty clear she has trouble keeping herself together after all the death and devastation from the night of her children's death onwards. Imagine if she had found out that it wasn't just some random tragedy? That the human child she had come to love as hers chose to kill themself if it mean freeing them? She'd've snapped a VERY long time ago. Asgore probably knew that information would have broken her, so he would have kept it completely to himself, lest even a word of it reach her ears wherever she was.

Now that we're beyond that text wall... what if I told you all of that was just setup for another secret Asgore has been keeping? All of the above? Just a way to frame a pattern for what kinds of secrets Asgore would keep and why he would keep them. After all of that it finally comes full circle once we start to discuss Asgore's awareness of SAVEing, LOADing, timelines and beyond.

I think Asgore has been hiding a bigger, space-time related secret. Some other even more important reason for why he couldn't just LEAVE the underground to seek out more souls. I think Asgore needed the SOULS gathered for something else beyond just breaking the barrier. Something with just as much emotional significance.

That's where my thoughts hit a bit of a wall, though. Even though I'm dead set on Asgore hiding something HUGE, my mind is struggling to think of the WHAT. It's clear he's been keeping as much of his awareness of timelines and human abilities to himself, but beyond how gaining that knowledge tends to leave those carrying it broken husks (Sans, Alphys, flowey, Asgore himself) there has to be another reason he'd fight so hard to keep it under wraps.

That said, I have a hunch the former royal scientist, Dr. W.D. Gaster, has a large role in whatever that secret is. It was said that Asgore took a long time to replace Dr. Gaster, even though by all rights nobody should have any memory of the doctor because he was shattered across time and space. That said... Asgore is among the characters aware of timeline-related phenomenon. Every other character in that group has really heavy ties to Gaster, so perhaps with his awareness as it is, it would make sense he'd have some knowledge of Gaster, if not at least some partial memory restoration. Coupled with him being one of the only characters to mention the ancient prophecy of the Delta Rune, he may have a much larger role to play in the grand scheme than just a fake-out final boss.

Anyways that does it for this big block of bs. For those brave enough to read this far, thank you. This was a lot to get off my chest.

Be seeing you soon!

Undertale Theory: The True Strongest Boss Monster is Someone you Wouldn’t Expect

Toriel is the strongest boss monster in Undertale.

“But Meowster,” you say, “she was the first boss! That means she's the weakest! Duh.”

But no, she was holding back the entire time. She was a mother who had lost not one, but two children. She never wanted to see a child die in front of her again. You're not supposed to die in that first boss fight, because Toriel doesn't want you too.

So in fact the only time we ever fight her in the game is when she's holding back. Which leads to the question, how powerful is she actually?

“Well then,” you say, “she must be less powerful than Asgore, because he's the final boss!”

(Well, actually Flowey is the true final boss. But we'll get to him in a moment.)

There's no actual mention of Asgore being more powerful than Toriel in the game. They just say that Toriel didn't agree with what Asgore was doing, and therefore left to stay in the ruins. 

But why leave? Why not kick him out and rule her way? Why exile herself instead? 

Some might say it’s because she knew she would loose...But wouldn’t her husband have spared her? Wouldn’t fighting him make him realize her concerns? Make him open up his eyes to what he was doing? If that’s the case, then why wouldn’t she fight him? Or at least try?

I think the answer is simple. She didn’t want to loose another family member. 

She knew that if they fought, she might accidentally release too much of her pain and anger and grief out on her husband. She might kill him. (Just like she accidentally kills you whenever you get a game over in her fight.) And loose him just like she lost her two children. Unable to stand this thought, she opted to leave instead so she wouldn’t have to watch more children being killed.

Meaning that Toreal knew, that if it came down to it, she would not only win the fight against Asgore, but possibly obliterate him in the process.

And the most damning proof of all is Flowey. The hidden boss, the hardest fight. 

Flowey takes out Asgore in just one shot (granted you had already worn him out with your fight but still):

But Torial knocks Flowey out with just one shot herself at the beginning of the game. Afterwards, she makes it sound like as if he’s just a troublemaking hooligan. 

And then, Flowey avoids her after that. Biding his time, waiting to gain power. Because he knows he’d loose to her otherwise. 

And when he does strike, it’s Asgore that he attacks instead. Because not only was Asgore just weakened from the fight with you, he was also already weaker than Torial.

But then, why doesn’t Torial handle him afterwards and knock him out just like she did at the start of the game?

Well, that’s because he’s just taken all of her remaining loved ones hostage.

He’s not just holding them hostage against you, the player, and Frisk...but against Torial as well.

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But this is just a theory! Just a little speculation I was doing one day while thinking back to and reminiscing the game... Perhaps think of it as a personal headcanon, if you will?

I always thought those ACTions are from Frisk, but it didn't really occur to me what they were or what they do. Makes me really question who "Frisk" really is. Though, this does go with Camila's headcanon about Frisk. Frisk and the player is the same person in the game, and that Frisk's personality is kinda like ours. They don't truly care about the characters there. Because if we truly did, we wouldn't have started the Genocide Route.

This actually makes Chara's actions at the end of the Genocide Route a lot more sense. Lots of people thought Chara was the bad person, but they're just a red-herring.

Chara may actually be corrupted by the LV and EXP, but maybe they're still trying to subconsciously stop the true culprit here. Frisk, AKA the Player.

If Chara is the Narrator, following us into the underground, that means they would know what Frisk can do. But never had the power to warn, or stop them, until the events of the Genocide.

But there's a chance Frisk is kinda another "Susie" here.

I always theorised that Kris in Deltarune was actually a mix of both Chara and Frisk's personalities. And lots of people have been talking about how Kris seems to be a bit similar to Susie. And I did noticed that what Susie did in Deltarune was similar to what we did in Undertale.

At first, we would kill everything in our path, because that's what we thought we were meant to do, like Susie, until we gained this connection of friendship with the characters, that is also a lot like Susie.

So I could see Frisk just being another "Susie" in Undertale. It was mentioned that Frisk and Suzy should be friends, which could a sign of a connection between Frisk and Susie.

Some really questionable stuff Frisk does under act’s options

Before,starting:no, Chara isn’t the one who’s behind those actions since every time they wrongly describes what Frisk does,they correct themself (such as during Snowy’s mom fight or when you confront a Froggit).The actions i would compile are the actions that the narrator doesn’t correct.

And remember:Frisk is the one who choose details under any option the player choose,we have no real control under how Frisk exactly behave.For example when we ask them to “insult"someone,we don’t really says how Frisk should insult,whatever its supposed to be a “soft insult "or not.Same goes under "menace"option,we don’t tell whatever Frisk should menace the monsters saying stuff like "if you keep fighting you will be exhausted "or "if you keep fighting me i wouldn’t become your friend”.And of course its mostly valid for “talk"option,since this is least specific option of the game:here Frisk is completely free to say anything they want.So,the way Frisk behave under any "act” is supposed to be a reflection of their nature.So how Frisk can behave under “mean"or at least "neutral"options?

Snowdrake’s fight

If you decide to "insult” Snowdrake ,then Frisk would behave rather…..interestingly:

Do you that any freaking nice kid would tell such awful things??Do you think that anyone “nice” would completely cush someone simply with words??And again we NEVER asked Frisk to tell such things under “insult"option,Frisk is the one who choose those exact words,they can also tell Snowdrake that "they aren’t funny"under this option ,which proove that they are they the one who choose how to behave under this option and the one who choose to say such awful things.

Vulkin’s fight

But,unlike what people believe,this is not the single instance Frisk can be mean with monsters under some act’s option.Under a more neutral option "Criticize”,so an option under which Frisk has even more freedom,they can tell things like:

Again,Frisk has a huge freedom here but instead they start to behave like they do with Snowdrake.Noone really truly kind would criticize someone by saying that their attacks are completely useles or telling them that their “rump looks like a sack of trash”

Nastablook’s fight

This happens under “menace"option,Frisk menace Nastablook by giving them a "cruel look” (while they could behave differently).And since the narrator doesn’t say that Frisk is simply having “a creepy look”,i don’t think that they are just trying to scare Nastablook so the ghost would stop fighting ,so i wonder how “a cruel look"is supposed to be a menace unless it reflects their menacing intentions which is REALLY likely,so they seems to have cruel menacing intentions under this option,something a really kindnatured person would probably have(no)

Chilldrake’s fight

They start to mock Chilldrake under "joke"option.During Snowdrake’s battle they make puns under this same option but here they instead decide to mock Chilldrake,which indicates that they really wanted to mock them instead of telling puns and mocking Chilldrake is the only stuff they do under this option.

Toriel’s fight

This happens under "talk"option,an option where Frisk has complete freedon to say whatever they want but instead of telling Toriel that they don’t want to find her(ya know like in literally every single comic,au etc..),they instead can’t think of any conversation’s topics ,which indicates that they DO want to fight her(otherwise they could ).The only conversation’s topic Frisk can think of is when you decide to talk to Toriel when she already died before:

Yeah,of course a really caring,nice pacifist kid would think of telling such creepy things instead of simply thinking to tell that they dont want to fight at all!!(nope -_-)

Asgore’s fight

There’s variations here:when Frisk already died, they’ll tell Asgore that they already died before or in the case they already died several times,they’ll tell how times they died,when Frisk hasnt died and at least killled one monster,they would have nothing to say :

In the pacifist run,if they didn’t die before,Frisk would tell Asgore that they dont want to fight Asgore,but even with one single murder they shows that they want to fight Asgore since they have"nothing to say"under the same exact circumstances than the pacifist’s battle but with at least one murder.

They also seems to be much more inspired by "mean"options than the "nice"ones since they never really act so kindly even under "nice options”, simply doing the minimum they can under those options(but they still a very goofy kid),for example under “encourage"or "console"option during monsters’s fights,they simply make a joke, a smile ,or says what that the monster is doing is alright.

The way Frisk behaves in the game definitely doesn’t match the way they are depicted in fanworks as their behavior under some acts is very creepy and in no way match how their fanon version is depicted.

PLAYER2 THEORY TIME CUES THE SIBLING THEORY GOT MORE PROOF

So for those who do not want to scroll through alot of my posts just to know what the hell im talking about this theory is based on an idea of p2s old bio of "sister if you were here, you would be proud". and the idea me and my friend had is he was talking about either p5 who we had some clues or p6 who we dont really know much about, and we had a theory that either 1 of them or both of them were his older siblings, but i was stumped earlier, if their his older siblings how could that work his name is player2??, and then it hit me, was his old name p7, and i told the friend this and then they said p7 never appeared he was like a rumor, and his data was wiped, it was rumored he was evil, possibly to "prove himself", and using that fact me and my friend started to pieces stuff together and i have a theory now, so maybe p5 or p6 (or both) were very manipulative to their younger brother, so they know he fell for alot of their words, so they told p7 to be more like them, p7 not knowing that their goals were bad listened to his older siblings, he killed people and mainpluated, but he started to get a bad reputaion, so p7 saw p2.5 (back then going by p2) everyone loved him, so p7 descried he would just replace his name, so he stole p2.5s name, after awhile people started to think 2.5 was evil, p7 now using p2 as his name, got into more fights, and then, when he tried to go back to his siblings, they were just gone, p2 started to think they would come back one day and once they did they would be happy on what he did.

But thats all i got XD, you can add to this theory if you want

I don’t know if I subsscribe to the ‘sans is from Deltarune’ idea, I don’t think I do, but I think anyone who does should embrace feminism and accept that if he is from Deltarune, Alphys is, too.

People note the fact that sans and Papyrus don’t have a specific backstory in UT as evidence that they came from DR, with QC simply saying that they showed up one day and asserted themselves into town. Well, in Undertale, Alphys also doesn’t have an early history either. We don’t even know how old she is in comparison to other characters, like Undyne who speaks about training with Asgore in childhood, and Toriel and Asgore with their hundreds of years old history. THIS is the earliest bits of info we have on her.

She sought out Catty and Bratty… and then she sought out Mettaton… weird, huh? Almost like she’s trying to find things that are familiar ;)

People also bring up Sans’s crossword puzzle with a picture of Ice-E printed on it. A very strange thing indeed, considering we don’t see Ice-E’s Pezza mentioned anywhere else. Or… or do we? Because there’s a silly little fun value event you can get in Snowdin, in which a character with a familiar sound to her text, try to prank call a pizzeria. A character who is like. Absolutely, obviously Alphys. But there is no pizzeria in the underground as far as we know, right…?

Sans has al Ice-E, Alphys has a pizza… the fact that both moments, and the chance to speak to Clamgirl about Suzy and find the ‘Don’t Forget’ note, have fun values assigned to them is very telling. Wether it actually ads to the tinfoil hat theory I’m pitching or not, I’m gonna stay convinced that it’s a Deltarune joke

And this is not the only secret Sans and Alphys share. The two are connect in a way that is never explicitly discussed or revealed. Most people brushed it off as them having maybe worked together on the amalgamates, but there is nothing in Alphy’s entries that could indicate this aside from some of them being written poorly.

and yet, they know each other so well, Alphys can predict his jokes before he says them.

But how can I prove that they know each other from Deltarune, specifically?

I can’t lol that’s not how these theories work

But the reason ‘Sans is from Deltarune’ became so wide spread and believable in the first place is because it answered the question of what he had hidden in his lab, and where it was that he wanted to return to. It solved the secret of his machine.

Well, my theory explains why Alphys had her name written in barely legible handwriting all over said machine’s blueprints. They were trying to return to Deltarune.

Wake UP ‘Sans is from Deltarune truthers, Alphys stocks are higher than they’ve ever been- even when compared to Undertale’s popularity peak in 2016. It is time to capitalize on it.

MORE DELTA RUNE

Just completed a pacifist run of the game and I’m at the fight with the prisoner, joker thing. Some more notes

- You know, the fabrics on Seam’s shop kinda look like the papers on the way into the closet hmmmm

- Ralsei looks like Asriel and is the prince of darkness

-I JUST REALIZED ‘RALSEI IS ASRIEL REARRANGED imsoblindjnvdskvnjzlj

-A human and a monster are needed to go through the door, but they can both be alive? 

-So that Dog in the Royal Guard, Shyra, Crystal, and Gerson are dead

-Asgore is aging

-Undyne doesn’t know alphys nnoooooooo

-Mettaton’s still a ghost???

-CHARA??????

-has anyone noticed how the portal doors look just like the door to sans’ room in the first game

Why Ralsei can’t be Asriel in Delta Rune

I’m making a theory on what this game is supposed to be in acccordance to Undertale but I thought I’d just share this in the meantime

I’ve seen a lot of people theorize that Ralsei is supposed to be Asriel as he looks like a goat and you can rearrange his name to spell Asriel. But a few things complicate things

1. In this universe there already is an Asriel who is away at college

2. Ralsei doesn’t leave with Susie and Kris making it unclear whether he was even real.

3. Ralsei has been waiting in that world for a while/long enough to learn its legends

But now the question comes up, “Who is Ralsei and why is he similar to Asriel?”

Ralsei seems to be older than Asriel as he has horns(he also has glasses but that doesn’t necessarily mean he’s older). He also seems pretty naive like when he heals the King showing he’s probably not lying about his identity. Who Ralsei is is still unknown, but he can’t be Asriel (at least the one from our universe)

Ok the poll hasn't actually ended yet but it's definitely trending in a Cool Deltarune Idea™ direction, so here we go

Let's think about this with layers of reality. We're at the top, then there's Undertale. Gaster's weird thingamabob that got him shattered was Deltarune, an unnatural side branch of reality jutting out. Because of its properties as fucked up nonsense, you can much more easily create further growth, these ones another layer down. Dark Worlds as we typically see them. As for the Gaster falling in, I think there's another detail. He didn't stumble or trip, he was pulled by Deltarune Gaster who was up to his own fucked up science shenanigans. Since I don't want to be constantly saying full titles, they're now UTG and DRG. Ever noticed how some events in dark worlds seem to have happened before the fountain opened, despite being too specific to be the kind of metaphor transition often seen? I think they have potential existence, all of the ones opened and all others as well. Half realities. Normally not much weird shit can happen because they're disconnected, but there's an exception. UTG got shattered across space and time, so he can do whatever. I think he's making the secret bosses Cuckoo For CoCo Puffs for, I dunno, fucked up science purposes. Or kicks and giggles, being shattered across space and time sounds boring. Meanwhile, I think DRG is the Roaring Knight, probably motivated by some sort of science shenanigans.

I have little to no proof, but it sounds cool. Please tell me if you find evidence for or against it, or ask questions.

SANS IS A DARKNER HOLY SHIT

 BIG SPOILERS FOR UNDERTALE, TINY SPOILERS FOR DELTARUNE

TL;DR: Sans isn’t a monster, he’s a Darkner from the Dark World, and that’s why he bleeds, as well as what’s up with his room and his seeming teleporting.

Keep reading

holy shit

wait

what if fucking gaster existed while frisk was in the underground but nobody fucking knows because of his fuckup

WHAT IF WE WERE FUCKING FRIENDS WITH GASTER BEFORE HE GOT ERASED

WHAT IF-

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Papyrus doesn't sleep

His brother says this, but never says its to get him to sleep:

Papyrus also mentions the bedtime story, but not sleeping:

He seems to believe sleeping is abnormal:

... Which is obviously a joke, except:

He's too busy to sleep in Undertale, and too busy to appear in the next game..?

either Grillby has a really long lifespan, or my crack theory that it actually HASN’T been that long between each human’s fall/death and everyone in the Underground just has a terrible perception of time (like how the day in the Underground we fell felt really long) and anyways in this essay i will-

Based off the Undertale lore about Grillby that was recently released as of this writing. Can be found here: https://toby.fangamer.com/comics/grillbys/

As for if Grillby can live THAT long? I did have to ask around about that but @under-lore pointed out to me that there is merch saying that Grillby’s was established 200X. And we know Chara fell in the underground in 201X. Thanks again Underlore!: https://www.fangamer.com/products/undertale-grillbys-mug

But toby tweeted that merch aint canon soooo…..(shrugs) Also here’s a close up picture of the two kids who built Grillby’s Snowman.

Edit: Wow! I didn’t think I get this many likes and reblogs for this. Thank you all so much!  I actually do a lot of Undertale (and Deltarune) arts so if you can, I would love it if you would check out my other stuff: [Masterpost Link] 

I also created an Undertale comic that takes place after the post-pacifist ending of Undertale : [LINK]

adding onto this (incoming non-canon bit but popular theory that most people just think is canon), I’d like to think that if he did get erased it was him walking into the CORE with us to like lead us through or something and he just like. tripped.

holy shit

wait

what if fucking gaster existed while frisk was in the underground but nobody fucking knows because of his fuckup

WHAT IF WE WERE FUCKING FRIENDS WITH GASTER BEFORE HE GOT ERASED

WHAT IF-

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Undertale analysis: Chara was a bad person but not because they were an "evil serial killer child" like the fandom portrays.

TW: mentions of mental illness, self harm, and suicide. SPOILER FOR UNDERTALE. yes this game is 8 years old and scarily popular, but its still worth playing! its 10 bucks on steam! get it! Post also contains stupid edits I made to ENHANCE your experience by at least 50% guaranteed or your money back (post cost $0)

first: some backstory. I played Undertale way back in like, 2016 when the game was still fresh yet gaining popularity quickly. The fandom soon after became criminally insane and went on a moral panic where people were harassed for "playing the game wrong". I remember stories of youtubers cancelling Undertale let's plays because they would kill a character and people would get upset. other than AUs, the biggest thing that stuck out to me was the strange obsession with claiming Chara is an evil demon child who is the root of all evil and eats puppies and enjoys drinking the blood of the innocent. and then counter-culture made it so that chara is actually innocent and that the PLAYER is the horrible evil monster eating puppies etc etc.

two extremes that i half-agree with, but mostly disagree with. There was an INSANE black and white mentality that flooded the Undertale space with no breathing room for mistakes. nowadays people have matured and the fandom calmed down, so now would be a great time to explain why i think Chara is a more complex character than people give them credit for. please don't hurt me.

1- Chara very much had mental health issues.

and not in the horror movie way where they were a caraaazay evil serial murderer

a huge misconception is that people assumed the garden tools in toriel's house being dulled was somehow "proof" that Chara was an evil serial murder or something.

though... I think people also forget Chara heavily hinted at struggling with serious depression and misanthropic tendencies.

Chara climbed the mountain to end their own life. the reason the garden tools were dulled wasn't because the Dreemurs were trying to protect other people from Chara, they were trying to protect Chara from themself. it baffles me how a lot of people didn't catch onto that. It could be that we were young teens and didn't know better... but i digress! "but kat? how is Chara a bad person ? are you saying people with depression are-" get that objectively wrong idea out of your head. Having a mental illness does not make you a bad person. If you struggle with suicidal thoughts please get help from loved ones and don't EVER think you are a bad person for struggling. no. chara is a bad person because...

2- Chara was a bitter misanthrope that didn't care about anyone else or their feelings.

there are several lines of dialogue that point to the fact Chara did not like humans. There is a high probability that Chara had a hard home life before falling to the underground and that is possibly why Chara was the way they were. I am not going to send you a million screenshots as to every single bit of evidence of this, I am not made of time and jpegs. (besides i spent the entire budget on photoshop edits) I am however, going to send you the most damning evidence on my side: the true lab tapes. In the pacifist run, you can visit the true lab and find Asgore and Toriel's old home videos. The tapes basically showcase Chara's plan to Asriel where they were to eat the butterscotch flowers, and then Asriel will absorb their soul when they died.

you can watch this youtube video on all of the true lab tapes. to recap the story, Chara died, Asriel absorbed the soul, took Chara's body to the human village and then the humans thought Asriel killed Chara. Asriel refused to fight, walked back to their home and died in the flowerbed. Later on if you talk to Asriel, He mentions he wasn't the one who went to the human village, but it was Chara that was controlling him. He refused to hurt the humans and fight back and essentially they were both taken down. so here are my thoughts (please remember this is my interpretation you are OK to disagree with me)

-Chara probably just used the freedom of the monsters as an excuse to off themselves, Then put that emotional responsibility on Asriel. -They then USED Asriel's body to try and enact revenge on the humans in their death as some kind of messed up murder-suicide but in the wrong order -This ends up Killing Asriel, then he later became a bitter misanthropic husk after being reincarnated by Flowey. Possibly due to the trauma. -This ends up putting the ENTIRE underground in a depressed state with no hope and causing a massive war with the humans -their adopted parents are now divorced due to this tragedy and both Toriel and Asgore started to have conflicting issues on the topic of humans -Asgore basically trapping everyone with him in his own grief because he didn't want to actually face what happened and played the long game collecting souls one by one. -Toriel struggling to move on and essentially trying to mother any human that falls down without facing her demons. -Litterally all of undertale happened. essentially Chara was not a bad person because they were a child version of Jason Voorhees Chara was a bad person because they manipulated their family into having emotional responsibility for their self-inflicted death and hatred of humanity. They made their issues everyone else's problem and didn't consider how their horrible actions would affect others. and in a way, that is one of the morals of Undertale If you don't care about others and how your actions will affect others, then you would be making the world a shitty place in the end. Lets get back to that thing I said earlier about fans harassing other players for little mistakes. killed Toriel on your first play through ? congratulations! you are a horrible irredeemable person who deserves to get death threats ! /s God forbid we have nuance and acknowledge that most players at this point feel BAD about what happened since this is their first play through! And that they CARE about what they did to their new friend! These kind of people ignore the fact that the issue with the genocide run wasn't just the deaths, but that the player didn't consider how the monsters felt after you just ripped away their happy ending. which is the mentality that both Chara and Flowey had.

here is a video i recommend. to quote this video about the sans fight: "They call out the player not for acting immorally but for acting with no moral guidance whatsoever. Flipping back and forth between good and evil for no real reason except that they want to see what happens. In the boss’s own words, committing genocide “because you think you can, and because you can, you have to.” " Chara offed themself and made Asriel emotionally responsible for Chara's fucked up revenge fantasy without considering others feelings The player restarted the timeline (more than likely the good ending) to kill everyone all for the reason of curiosity without considering others feelings. the reason why Chara goes after you at the end of the genocide run is because you basically VALIDATED the deep dark desires of a mentally damaged person and made them watch their loved ones get ritualistically murdered. meanwhile in the pacifist run (with no history of the genocide path on your file), you simply let Chara remain as they were when they passed away. You didn't validate their dark mentally unstable desires, you simply shown Chara that the world isn't a horrible place and that actually caring about other people leads to a better life. If you HAVE played genocide before the pacifist ending, then the lesson does not sit because you still basically led them down a dark path in the end. By caring about how others feel and the impact you leave on people, you are helping retain hope for a better future for everyone, and that is one of the many reasons why i love Undertale.

thank you for reading this massively long analysis, it took me a lot of time and effort to get this put together.

ok so REALLY WEIRD DELTARUNE THING I FOUND OUT

so, i forgot where i found this, but theres this company. royal sciences LLC. they published undertale and deltarune.. if you go to open corporates ( a site to transmit information around corporations to battle corruption) you can see the company right there! if you go to justia trademarks it also says they published undertale. now in royal sciences LLC there is this guy who is called nathan r deleault.. who was removed? and toby fox worked there and he was also removed. (by removed i mean they were fired/quit/ stopped working at the company ) also royal sciences sounds like royal scientist. GASTER CORPORATION!?!?1/?!1//!?

SO,GUYS I HAVE A THEORY (⚠️TW: probably trigger themes)

The Undertale locations is based on Hell's rings/layers by Dante.

BUT DON'T SCROLL!!!I HAVE LOT'S OF THINGS TO EXPLAIN!

Firstly, that i can think of it's a Snowdin and 9 layer-Treachery.

Because on this layer it's very cold and people buried in ice.And Snowdin it's a cold place too!Then,Sans lives in Snowdin,and he is the hardest boss in whole game.As the "Treachery" level is the most cruel place.

Secondly, Waterfall it's a gluttony/anger.

Arguments in side of gluttony:It says,that punishment on this layer is rotting under the rain and hail.And in Undertale, Waterfall is very rainy place

Arguments in side of anger: The whole anger ring is a Stix lake(or swamp,idk) and Waterfall is a litteral cluster of lakes and rivers.And it's punishment it's a eternal fight,and in the game we fight with Undine.

Thirdly,Hotland is a hell in traditional way of understanding, like fire,lava.

And i can say that Ruins is a limbo,but it's hard to me to find similarities,and I'm just lazy ass :p

And i can add that hell is somewhere in underground and in Undertale we falling underground

EVENTUALLY!

I want to say that it's just my opinion,my theory.You can add anything if you have any information to correct or add,but please no insulting,deal?

AND IT'S JUST A THEORY,A GAAAAAME THEORY