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Just a message to y'all Credence x Per shippers

This broke my heart.

I'm sobbing 😂😂😂😭💀

SO I MADE A PEANUT GRAVES

AND I DECIDED THAT WITH A FACE LIKE THAT I COULD MESS WITH IT

CREDENCE THE CHILD

THE CHILD IS DYING CREDENCE

CREDENCE

Sassy Credence 2k17

graves: you can control it, credence credence: yOu cAN ConTrOL iT CrEDeNcE

Percival Graves + text post meme 2/? 

part 1 

Grindlewald: Think of what we could achieve together!

Credence: tHiNk oF wHaT wE cOuLd aChIeVe tOgeTher,,,

Some fanart for the amazing fic series, Precious Metals, by @astrum-ululatum featuring a deaf original Percival Graves trying to recover from his captivity under Grindelwald, a very concerned Newt Scamander and the goodest girl of all, Daphne the service occamy. I highly recommend reading, but do heed the tags, since this series does deal with some sensitive themes.

valid

yes he’s my emotional support fictional man. yes i wouldn’t be able to stand him if we were put in the same room. we exist

oh Tina

Mr. Graves seems odd today.

cacophony

When did Percival Graves disappear?

I received my copy of the Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them screenplay two days ago and only now have been able to start reading it.  We all know Rowling is a queen of hints that are so subtle, they’re blatant after the fact. We also have to take into consideration sometimes we’re just too eager as fans to find clues, we’re completely wrong and think there is some dramatic purpose for the curtains to be purple when I just like purple curtains.  I’m working between the two.

@chaotic-king has a post that is a precursor to this post, on when or how the real Percival Graves disappeared and how Grindlewald got to New York.  @seasons-gredence also has a post on what we know of the real Percival Graves.  There are many notable comments and replies that I suggest everyone check out.  Heck, even in my reading of them, there are still things I may have missed.  (In other words, please point me in the direction of anything I might have missed.)

There are three parts to this post: screenplay evidence, film evidence, and my speculation on Graves’ disappearance, personality, Grindlewald, and Credence. This is an unusual format, even for me.  My theories usually don’t look like this—then again, I usually don’t give theories on screenplays and films.  I found it easiest to provide all evidence first, then my commentary.  Fair warning: it took far longer to write this theory (three hours) than it did to concoct it (however long it took me to read between Scenes 5 and 22).  It’s also a very long post.

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Screenplay Evidence

*Ext. Exterior.  Int. Interior.

Page 1 Scene 1 Ext. Somewhere in Europe—1926—Night

Grindlewald’s attack in Europe, leaving several Auror splayed across the ground.

Page 2 Scene 2 Ext. Ship gliding into New York—Next morning

Newt’s ship arriving the next morning (his speaking to Dougal).

Page 3 Scene 3 Ext. New York—Day

Described as an aerial of New York; kept to set up the following scene, indicating we’re still in the same day.

Scene 4 Ext. Ship/Int. Customs—Shortly Afterward—Day

Newt is being inspected by the NY customs agent at the dock.  “Shortly afterward” indicates we are still in the same day.

Page 6 Scene 5 Ext. Street Near City Hall Subway—Dusk

Graves investigating the explosion.

Page 9 Scene 6 Ext. New York Street—Day

Newt walking down the street, about to meet Mary Lou, Jacob, and Tina. The start of the adventure.

Page 41 Scene 22 Int. Major Investigation Department—Day

Tina brings Newt to MACUSA, where we meet Madam Seraphina Picquery and Percival Graves.  Same day as Scene 6.  Graves is described as being bruised from the encounter the night before.  Graves claims entity is a beast, not a human.

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Film Evidence

Newt’s adventures are said to have taken over, approximately, two days. Taking in the facts presented in the script and film:

Day -1.  (Scene 1)  Grindlewald’s attack in Europe.

Day 0.  (Scenes 2-5)  Newt arrives in New York.  Held up at the port almost all day, if not all day.  May have slept at the docks or somewhere close by.  (Not a proper “day one” by most people’s standards.)  Graves inspects explosion.

Day 1.  (Scene 6-)  Newt explores New York, meets Mary Lou, Jacob, Tina, Queenie, Picquery, Graves (etc). Loses beasts.

Day 1 into Day 2.  Nighttime adventures with Jacob retrieving the missing beasts.  Shaw Jr. killed.  Taken into MACUSA via suitcase by Tina.

Day 2.  Taken into custody by MACUSA.  Blamed for death of Shaw Jr. and sentenced to death.  Escaped.  Gnarly-fingers, because—damn.  Saved Dougal and the Occamy.  Fought Graves.

Day 2 into Day 3.  Fighting Graves.  Defeated Grindlewald, posing as Graves.  Obliviating the bad memories of New Yorkers.  (-end)

Day 3-onward.  MACUSA investigation.

(From screenplay)

Week Later.  Jacob given Occamy egg shells.

Day Later.  Newt cleared to leave New York and return to England.

Three Months Last.  Jacob’s bakery.

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My Speculation

Scene 1: there is a 5-hour difference between New York and London, a 6-hour difference between New York and Paris/Berlin, and an 8-hour difference between New York and Moscow (to be generous). Newspapers at the end of the film set the film in December.  I’m going with the assumption Grindlewald was somewhere were a winter “night” begins between 5:00-6:30 pm one day, and sticks around until 6:00-7:00 am the next day. Imaging this helps compensate for the information we lack.

Scene 2: New York is -5, -6, or -8 hours from wherever Grindlewald’s attack in Europe was, then +unknown hours to make it the next morning in New York when Newt arrives.  In theory, Grindlewald could have had 12 hours from his attack in Europe to get to New York by Newt’s arrival – if he arrived at this time.

Scene 5: “Dusk.”  Graves is investigating the explosion at dusk.  Dusk is at the end of the day.  I’ve watched the film three times: it’s fairly light outside, so it’s probably early dusk (civil twilight).  It is the end of the day Newt has arrived in New York. Grindlewald has had over 24 hours to get to New York.

Scene 6: “Day.”  There is where it hinges on semantics.  You do not go from “dusk” to “day” in that order: dusk proceeds night, night proceeds dawn, dawn proceeds day, day proceeds dusk. Either we’re to take this exact set up as an indicator the day has changed—this is a new day from Scene 5—or else the time of the explosion in New York that Graves was investigating (Scene 5) was an oversight and meant to take place in New York at the same time as Grindlewald’s attack in Europe (Scene 1).

Scene 22: Graves is described as bruised his encounter with the unknown entity.  Unless Graves pursued pursued the entity, I do not recall him being hit with debris during the explosion the night before, or being assaulted by the entity. It was not seen in the film or written in the screenplay, but moments do happen off screen.

So, how did Graves become injured? And, when did Grindlewald arrive in New York?  These two questions are tied together, in my opinion.  Scene 5 was the snap moment for me, and Scene 22 cemented it.

It’s already been noted that Grindlewald is an exceptionally talented wizard.  It would have taken Newt about a week to cross the Atlantic by ship.  Grindlewald, through the use of Apparation, Port Key, Flew network, flying, and any other host of connections that existed at this time and for this well-connected man, could have gotten to America sooner (if he wasn’t already here and the person in Europe was an imposter—I’m all for blowing holes in my own theories).  Assuming that the real Grindlewald was in Europe for the first scene of the film, then, as presented (with time zone differences), there was approximately 24 hours between Grindlewald’s attack in Europe (Scene 1) and Graves investigating the explosion (Scene 5).  Graves has no lines during his first appearance (Scene 5).  In spite my desire to blow holes in my own theories, saying to myself, “I cannot, in good conscience, claim this knowing alternatives exist;” still, it is my bad conscience belief that this Graves may be the real Percival Graves, the only time we ever see him.

Grindlewald had escaped to America, either to escape to America just for that sake or because of the interesting disturbances and alleged visions, and he did so before Scene 5.  Again, unless Graves pursued the source of the explosion, which we could see (and it was clear even No-Majs could see the unknown entity), in Scene 5 off screen, there is no accounting for Graves’ injuries.  Unless he was accosted by someone else.  Grindlewald.  Although his time was little, by Scene 5, Grindlewald was in New York.  Graves feels more the victim of planning than opportunity, but it very well could have been pure luck with no clean up: Graves has one of the highest positions in MACUSA, and one of the positions that would satisfy Grindlewald’s interest in the agency but also its investigations into anomalies and disturbances Grindlewald could harness for his own benefit.  (Picquery would be too ostentatious to assume. Grindlewald’s a narcissist, but he’s also cunning.  Going for Picquery would just be stupid, and obvious.)  I’ve seen the arguments that Rowling said Grindlewald shape shifted (without Polyjuice) into Grindlewald, but just as quickly I’ve seen people say this is untrue.  I’ve not personally found this statement right from her, either.  The questions are, how much damage did Graves sustain when Grindlewald attacked him and would these injuries carry over through transformations, anyway?  It’s clear that Grindlewald could heal minor injuries (healing Credence’s hand), so he could theoretically heal some injuries (so major injuries would not be present); as to whether Graves’ injuries would carry over to Grindlewald’s transformation, at the least Grindlewald had the perfect excuse for injuries if anyone asked.  He was present at the site of an explosion and followed the entity (he, Grindle-Graves, discovered nothing, of course).

The other question relating to all this is, whether Graves and Credence ever knew each other?  Because of Tina’s attack on the New Salem Philanthropic Society, it is possible. The memories of all the followers, including Credence’s, should have to have been wiped.  Did Graves take sympathy on Credence and allow him to keep his whole memory of the event?  That’s unknown.  What’s known is, according to Scene 114 (p. 250) of the screenplay, Credence (as the Obscurus) remembers Tina and her defending him that night.  Whether he recalls the magical element of it is unknown.  (And, if Credence was identified as vaguely magical, could there be an excuse for a loophole to the law to allow him to keep his memory?)  On the other hand, Graves still could have used Credence as an informant even if Credence’s memory of magic was wiped—but why?  That would be more an Auror’s job than his, to keep an informant.  No matter how you spin it, MACUSA had a strict policy against fraternization with No-Majs.

Unless Graves secretly was a supporter of Grindlewald, the questionable aspects of Graves’ actions out of the eyes of Picquery could be chalked up to Grindlewald seeping through the façade of Graves.  We know how Graves should have acted by how Grindlewald was able to pass as Graves in front of people, and supplementary material (such as the Casebook) suggested Graves was very by-the-books.  Hints at Graves’ dark side could easily refer to Grindlewald, as Farrell was playing Grindlewald who was portraying Graves throughout 99% of the story.  Graves was by-the-books in front of Picquery, but Grindlewald seeped out whenever she was out of the picture.

Back to the subject, if Graves had followed the unknown black cloud of destruction back to its home (side note: I believe it’s impossible to dislike or hate Credence, unless you’re Mary Lou Barebone), he would have risked causing more damage to the city if he were caught or engaged the entity.  Not to mention, if he was truly by-the-books, either he would apprehend Credence or report Credence (possibly requesting backup). If Grindlewald had followed Credence, maybe even encountering Graves and attacking him them (just his luck that the MACUSA agent he attacked wasn’t your standard mook), he could have taken on Graves’ appearance and identity then and there and made contact with Credence before nightfall.  Because Credence may retain some memory of Graves, just as he did Tina, gaining Credence’s trust could have been easy for Grindlewald.  In my review of the screenplay, Scene 42-43 (p. 86-89), Credence and Graves’ first interaction in-story happens the night of Newt’s first real day in New York (Scene 6).  This, too, gives approximately 24 hours between Scene 6 and Scene 42, time for Grindlewald (as Graves) to communicate with Credence.

Either way, very long.  Sorry.

well done

  Percival returns to his aurors. Tina meets him outside and doesn’t give him a second to get professional she’s glad to see most of him came back. Abernathy is there to welcome him and return him his wand.

WIP / rough outline for what will be the second in a series of three monochrome warm up speed sketches inspired by the long loose organic lines of Klimt.

First was Gramander, this one will be GoldGraves and the last will be Gravebone

impossible graves-grinde-farrell

Colin Farrell as Percival Graves in Fantastic Beasts (2016, J.K. Rowling) 🔥

“What would you rather be doing?” Picquery asked without so much as a twitch revealing her amusement at his displeasure. ”Sorting through the trash for another Sophia Scapegrace to apprehend?” “All I’m saying is that I would be much more help out in the field”, he grumbled, “than I am exchanging pleasantries with the social elite.”

I was originally just going to draw younger!Graves in one of these vests, but then background practice happened! Art blog: questionartbox

Love it!

Grindelwald steals the identity of the Director of Magical Security. 1.5 hour lighting sketch Photoshop CC

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Percy Graves and Theseus Scamander commission for @archadianskies!

Percival Graves ☂ ~