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There needs to be a study into why people love to refer to the Targ’s as ‘white saviours’ as if almost every damn house/person in that world aren’t white or some variation of white 🙄

Dany is freeing slaves therefore to them she is a white saviour and that extends to her family. Never mind that the slavery in ASoIaF is more akin to that of the Roman Empire.

They just love to hate and do it illogically, which is what bothers me most.

He laid the point of his sword between Daenerys’s breasts and slid it downward, over the curve of her belly. “I want what I came for,” he told her. “I want the crown he promised me. He bought you, but he never paid for you. Tell him I want what I bargained for, or I’m taking you back. You and the eggs both. He can keep his bloody foal. I’ll cut the bastard out and leave it for him.” The sword point pushed through her silks and pricked at her navel. Viserys was weeping, she saw; weeping and laughing, both at the same time, this man who had once been her brother.

Sansa got a crown and you guys have been bitter ever since. Sansa's decisions didn't make sense? She's the only ruler who cared about food for her people. She was a better queen than Jon about the North's independence. They wanted her instead of Jon. Stay bitter.

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I'm tired of hearing about Sansa being the most unfairly hated character, especially when it comes with no acknowledgment of how horrible her stans act or the hate they give other female characters. It's just a demonstrably incorrect claim. Every other character is allowed to be disliked but we're all just expected to put Sansa on a pedestal cause she represents "true womanhood" or whatever the nonsense argument of the week is. Arya and Dany are two of the most casually hated and rewritten characters in the fandom and it barely gets talked about cause "feminism" in this fandom is only about female characters "pure" enough to deserve it. I just think it's gross to try and quantify how worthy a female character is of being defended from misogyny. At that point it's not even about defending Sansa from unfair hate, it's being upset that she isn't getting special treatment.

Sansa stans are really out here acting like dany is the only white character in asoiaf. they’ll say they hate dany for being a “white savior” or a “spoiled entitled white girl” but then uncritically stan Sansa who is just as white as dany is, and grows up way more privileged than dany did.

Well, you see Sansa is a red-head which makes her a white woman of color. She's actually the most oppressed character in the books don't you know? 😔

Their logic is so screwed up that I don't even know where to start. I have noticed that women (usually white ones ironically) do the same thing that men do and add "white woman" before their misogynistic statement as though that absolves them. So specifying that Dany is white before a statement putting her down is their way of justifying their hate. But ye olde hypocrisy kicks in and calling Sansa privileged is considered misogyny despite her being one of the most privileged characters in the books (along with the other Starks) + steadily benefiting from her privilege throughout the books in ways other characters don't. She isn't starving, on the run, lacking nice clothes, or a comfortable place to sleep, etc. like a lot of other characters are. And then, because she never lacks resources, she never even confronts this or how lower-class people are treated in contrast. It's just interesting that one character is the devil for being "privileged" even though they've lived a life of poverty and had to fight for everything they have, but another is the most "worthy" character in the books despite being even more privileged and entitled.

I have literally never heard any Arya stan say they liked her because she's an NLOG character.

The only people who ever say that mess grossly misunderstand her character and boil her down to "oh she's a badass assassin." Which, as you can tell by now, are not Arya stans.

Stop this shit.

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How delusional,dumb,and ignorant do you have to be believe this bs as a cop out to dismiss and downplay Daenerys' lack of privilege and family for most of her life,ntm victim blame her because your callous ass lacks empathy for the character☠️Daenerys literally lost everything (most of her family,her home,and what her family had that would've been hers) before she was even born as her mother died shortly after giving her (like Jon's mother,Lyanna),literally started life with nothing (all she would've had if Rhaegar didn't die,if Elia,Rhaenys,and Aegon,literally had nothing even begin with but her name and blood.So congratulations on implying you agree with these facts🤡🙃

And just because she never had the opportunity to know Rhaegar, the privilege to know all her siblings, since that was one of many she was robbed of even birth,it still count as loss especially when it's important full blood related members of the family such as her mother,Rhaella,who suffered all her life being abused by Mad King Aerys even before their father forced the sister and brother to marry for the Prince Who Was Promised prophecy.Viserys was almost just as cruel and abusive to Dany as Aerys was to Rhaella throughout their lives as just a brother,then her husband and king.I bet you would be agreeing with me if it was about Jon regarding Lyanna because it's always double standards with antis,since y'all are so full of shit.

Jon stans (but can't expect you to know since all nonas crackshippers are glorified self-insert sardine stans who projecting to fantasize about fucking Kit Harrington😂) of all people should know damn well how deep the void of a mother is (as Jon has serious mother issues thanks to being mistreated and looked down on due to his bastardy and Catelyn's abuse towards him as supposedly the product of Ned's infidelity),because Lyanna is more important to the narrative for some of the main characters,Jon and Arya,like Rhaegar is to Dany while Rhaella is not thanks to GRRM's intention with his writing in the books.Not to mention Dany looks up to Rhaegar and longs to know him even in death,which is why she's eager to learn about Rhaegar.So your reasoning is invalid regardless,and your first part about Viserys is downright blatant nonsensical lies🤦🏾‍♀️🤨

Daenerys did not "hElP" Khal Drogo to kill Viserys🙄There was literally nothing Dany could do to protect and save Viserys even though she told the Dothraki who witnessed Viserys assault her not to harm Viserys,and even tried to warn him against his misbehavior by giving him a taste for what's was to come if you continued,hence why Viserys was forced to walk on foot instead of riding on horseback as punishment for assaulting Dany.Not to mention GoT never shows Dany actually loved Viserys,still loves him,even misses him (since she remembers how well he treated her back then when he still loved her),but she would and could no longer help him (as she lacked agency and power even as Khal Drogo's wife as a girl who is actually just his child bride sex slave) after warning him about how his violent disrespect to the Dothraki and herself pregnant with Khal Drogo's son as his wife since Viserys forced her to marry the much bigger,much older,much scarier Khal Drogo so young as she was literally just a girl,just a child.

Let's just conveniently ignore book canon of how Viserys changed when he had sell the only thing left of their mother,Rhaella's crown,for food to survive as Dany was severely sick from starvation.Viserys snapped in that moment because he was very close to Rhaella,so he began being cruel,too harsh,verbally,emotionally,and physically abusive to Dany and had been terrorizing her ever since.Viserys would literally beat when "she woke the dragon",and it's obvious when he was even terrorizing her in her dragon dream in the books with the bruises on her naked body and her apparent fear,which is why the dream is symbolic of Dany being scared to wake her dragon.Dany's fear and her body language like she's trying to hide or escape from Viserys is also proof of this besides the memory pre-aSoIaF in one of her chapters Viserys beat Dany so hard all just because Dany spilled,clocked Viserys,and called out his double standards towards her concerning how she should've been born earlier.

As if it's somehow Dany's fault the Targaryens "fell from grace" due to Robert's Rebellion when she wasn't even born yet and just a baby when the Targaryen dynasty ended😭Viserys really had the audacity to shift the blame from the adults onto Dany and actually said if she would've been born earlier,Rhaegar would've had a much better option to marry instead,so Rhaegar would've have been so weak to be so enamored and lovesick with Lyanna he practically threw everything away to elope with her.That memory is manifested into a dragon dream as likely a trauma response similar to nightmares and PTSD of abuse victims.Since Dany was scared of him for years (which is a common response of abuse victims towards their abuser) as she reveals in her POV chapters Viserys hurt her,it can be inferred Viserys actually acted upon his threat towards Dany and the events of that dragon dream really happened before.

Let's just conveniently ignore Viserys consistently insulting and offending the Dothraki with his superiority complex,lashing out at a pregnant Dany and being violent towards her,provoking Khal Drogo by threatening to harm his wife and unborn child.Khal Drogo was literally protecting her from Viserys who posed a threat as he'd shown them all what he was capable with all his unprovoked,unwarranted hostility towards his own full blood related sister,his only family left.Not to mention in the books,Viserys planned to rape Dany before she married Khal Drogo and tried to enter her room at night,but Illyrio foresaw this and had guards stationed outside her door.Viserys felt entitled to Dany's maidenhead (virginity) which he perceived to be belong to him due to his Valyrian blood purity and supremacy and perceiving her as his property,because he believed Dany was supposed to be his bride and give him heirs as his only sister and other full blood Targaryen besides himself.

Oh the irony of Viserys' possessiveness of Dany when he sold his own sister,his only family to Khal Drogo in exchange for an army to take back his birthright,the Iron Throne.Tell me without telling me you never really read the books or even watched the show,most likely skipped Dany's chapters and scenes as antis tend to do,because y'all lack basic reading comprehension skills and are just too threatened by a character as iconic,compelling,great,and complex as Dany🤡

Even in the context of GoT,Viserys was still a cruel,abusive brother to Dany.Literally molested her,literally said he'd let all the Khal Drogo's men and their horses fuck her if that's what it would take to reclaim the Iron Throne,calls her degrading and derogatory slurs rooted in his racism and Valyrian blood supremacy such "Dothraki whore,Horse's slut" despite forcing her to marry the Khal for his own ends for the crown;Not to mention let's just conveniently forget Viserys really threatened to cut out Dany's unborn child when she was pregnant.After everything Viserys did to his own sister,even planned and tried to do to her,Viserys reaped what he sowed and honestly deserved what he got although I do have sympathy and pity for him considering how much his life changed for the worse due to Rhaegar's death and Robert Baratheon usurping.

But Viserys was wrong in punishing Dany for Rhaella's death,blaming and never forgiving her for Rhaella dying from childbirth.It's not her fault as she was literally just a baby fresh out of the womb.So it's valid and true Daenerys lost two brothers including her mother who GRRM rarely mentioned compared to Rhaegar and Aerys + GoT never even cared about to acknowledge Rhaella's existence considering it didn't suit their skewed narrative (but GRRM only used as a writing device often in fiction for characterization and character development to motivate Dany to become a true monarch who prioritizes her duty to the people over the self and devotes her life to protect and care for her people like a mother as the Mhysa/Mother of Dragons,the mother she never while being in the process of fulfilling the void of 'family','home',and "the childhood she had never known" by giving her people that symbolized by protection,security,and safety,because she can't bring back the dead or go back in time to save her family, and she can't even obtain the house with the red door,the lemon tree,and "the childhood she had never known" ) and great-great grand uncle Maester Aemon,who the GRRM didn't even have her meet unlike the likes of Jon who grew up with a father and siblings in a castle.

They’re both gone now. 

SANSA LITERALLY HEARD THE WIND. (and what the hell is that with claiming Jon called out to Sansa before he died...?)

I mean, asearchoficeandfire.com is pretty easy to use, right?

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Talking with @thelustybraavosimaid.... what do Jonsas think ASOIAF is?

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But here's the thing... Humans (and ASOIAF characters) are deeper than the colour of their hair.

There's more to a person than what colour their eyes are. To that end, Ygritte and Sansa don't even share a hair or an eye colour. Sansa is auburn with groomed and styled, highborn, socially approved hairstyles. Meanwhile, Ygritte has bright, fiery, tangled, ginger hair. The conventionally beautiful Sansa has blue eyes. Ygritte has grey-blue eyes which are noted to be too far apart with a pug nose and crooked teeth. Ygritte's singing voice is described by Jon as deep and husky. She's short, small, and skinny. Meanwhile, Sansa is described as tall with a womanly figure. When Jon mistook Melisandre for Ygritte (likely because Mel was messing with something like a glamour), he was startled because Melisandre and Ygritte are so different. He did not fall in love with Melisandre at that moment or at all -- instead, he was unsettled. What is connecting Ygritte to Sansa here? Or at all? Sansa shunned Jon on the basis of his bastardy, refusing to regard him as real family because of it. Ygritte couldn't give less of a f*ck about Jon's social status. Sansa bullied Jon's most beloved person in the world (Arya), who actually shares canonical deeper connections to Ygritte that go beyond a hair shade. Why on earth would Jon connect Ygritte to Sansa Stark.

they way any quote is always the subversion for Sansa and the destruction for Dany 💀 they are living in their little bubble and hating and hating and hating and it still won’t make Jon fall in love with Sansa instead of Daenerys

The latest addition on the ridiculous rhetoric of Dany's antis is that the girl feels hungry at the end of ADWD which according to them symbolises her " hunger for power".

Meanwhile Dany at the end of ADWD is all alone in the Dothraki Sea, has diarrhea, retches up green slime, is starving for weeks so of course she feels "hungry".

I understand that those people only read the books to find "hidden meanings" and "foreshadowing" of bad queen Dany but some things aren't that deep. Sometime hunger is just...hunger for food.

i find it interesting how house targaryen is always singled out as the most violent, the most evil, the most feudal, the most villainous, the most oppressive, responsible for the most atrocities etc etc as opposed to everyone else who is just a poor little victim of ‘targaryen colonialism’ (lol) when in reality westeros is a settler state built on genocide committed by the first men and the andals against the children of the forest. why don’t we ever see the thinkpieces about how robb stark is evil for embracing his stark identity and that was the cause of his downfall? you could easily make that argument. after all, the starks descend from first men who were evil savages and genociders. if you’re gonna use the crimes of valyria against house targaryen, then i can just as well use the crimes of the first men against the starks. house stark is guilty of a genocide of the children of the forest, extinguishing entire bloodlines and ethnic cleansing against the blackwoods. their rule over the north is the results of centuries upon centuries of absolute tyranny, doesn’t that make them evil? i could easily write a thinkpiece about how robb’s downfall is the fault of his first men values and use book quotes selectively to argue that. i could say that robb stark is an imperialist colonizer because he descends from settler colonists, i could say that him preferring to marry jeyne westerling (of first men descent) rather than roslin frey (of andal descent) is a sign of his blood purity and the narrative punished him for that and it was deserved, why not? i could say that northern separatism is very much like quebec or texas separatism, aka the people in favor of it have no right to dictate what to do with the land that isn’t theirs to begin with, why not? i could argue that starks are destined to fail because else the narrative validates colonialism and genocide, why not?

you have no right to say a bad word against the targaryens considering that your beloved starks descend from genociders and are settler colonists who very recently engaged in mass rape of newlywed women via the law of the first night, so acting like they’re some force of good against the evil valyrians is laughable. your little headcanons about how the starks are actually indigenous will not change that. pick up the books for a change, lmao

i find it interesting how house targaryen is always singled out as the most violent, the most evil, the most feudal, the most villainous, the most oppressive, responsible for the most atrocities etc etc as opposed to everyone else who is just a poor little victim of ‘targaryen colonialism’ (lol) when in reality westeros is a settler state built on genocide committed by the first men and the andals against the children of the forest. why don’t we ever see the thinkpieces about how robb stark is evil for embracing his stark identity and that was the cause of his downfall? you could easily make that argument. after all, the starks descend from first men who were evil savages and genociders. if you’re gonna use the crimes of valyria against house targaryen, then i can just as well use the crimes of the first men against the starks. house stark is guilty of a genocide of the children of the forest, extinguishing entire bloodlines and ethnic cleansing against the blackwoods. their rule over the north is the results of centuries upon centuries of absolute tyranny, doesn’t that make them evil? i could easily write a thinkpiece about how robb’s downfall is the fault of his first men values and use book quotes selectively to argue that. i could say that robb stark is an imperialist colonizer because he descends from settler colonists, i could say that him preferring to marry jeyne westerling (of first men descent) rather than roslin frey (of andal descent) is a sign of his blood purity and the narrative punished him for that and it was deserved, why not? i could say that northern separatism is very much like quebec or texas separatism, aka the people in favor of it have no right to dictate what to do with the land that isn’t theirs to begin with, why not? i could argue that starks are destined to fail because else the narrative validates colonialism and genocide, why not?

you have no right to say a bad word against the targaryens considering that your beloved starks descend from genociders and are settler colonists who very recently engaged in mass rape of newlywed women via the law of the first night, so acting like they’re some force of good against the evil valyrians is laughable. your little headcanons about how the starks are actually indigenous will not change that. pick up the books for a change, lmao

it's wild to see people say stuff like "sansa is a politician, arya is a warrior" while not being able to point out a single political act sansa has achieved, and not being able point out any of arya's "warrior skills" that isn't the handful of fencing lessons with syrio she received for like five months max lol

Politician!Sansa and Warrior!Arya are two fascinating ends of a fanon ouroboros; Neither concept exists outside of the other and neither concepts are based on the books. This fandom is just so attached to the idea of Sansa being this incredible politician, with intelligence above every other character, that her having nothing in her own chapters to support that idea doesn't stop them. That's why Arya's intelligence, skills, and entire character arc get reduced to her being nothing but a walking, talking weapon. Like you said, her "warrior" capabilities are essentially the handful of lessons she had with Syrio where her most important + relevant lesson was how to observe her surroundings. Her only "combat" training with the FM was her defending herself with a staff when she lost her eyesight. There's nothing to suggest that she's going to be a warrior, in fact we get the exact opposite. We get constant reminders of Arya's small stature and lack of strength that prevent her from fighting/defending herself in certain situations. All her kills rely on sneak attacks/stealth and she's never been in an outright swordfight with anyone. George even refrains from calling her a warrior like Robb and Jon. Brienne and Asha are examples of female characters who are actual fighters and if you compare their chapters, you can see the difference.

But then Arya's entire existence is antithetical to fanon!Sansa's. Her Harrenhal arc is what people pretend Sansa was doing in KL, her relevance to the North gets transferred to Sansa, and her intelligence and political activeness are erased so that Sansa can shine. They'll write essays on how Sansa is the most intelligent, politically savvy character and how Dany/Jon/Tyrion's arcs only exist to highlight her own ruling arc but the second someone asks them for evidence from the books, it's crickets. I don't understand why their enjoyment of her character hinges on her being the most important/intelligent one. No Arya stan is under the illusion that she's going to be the political character or outclass Dany, Jon, or Tyrion. It's just part of her story so we acknowledge it. Arya is going to have her political arc in Braavos and Sansa is going to have her political arc in the Vale, they aren't mutually exclusive. The only issue is that some people want Sansa to be the only one with a political arc and that's not the story that George is telling.

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HELP ME OUT GUYS

Riddle #1: IT'S GREED AND TYRANNY WHEN DANY WANTS TO TAKE BACK HER FAMILY'S DYNASTY but it's righteous and right and empowering when the Starks (Sansa) want to take back the North. THE TARGARYENS ARE THE REAL COLONIZERS NO DOUBLE STANDARDS HERE WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT.

Riddle #2: Dany's love is cheap compared to her greed for the Iron Throne!!!11

...So why does Jon need to sexually use, abuse, manipulate, and fake his love for the power crazed Dany ala Pol!Jon to steal her armies and dragons if her worthless love is so cheap then...? It's not like sex is going to help out Jon's lacking martial forces much or add sense to the non-sensical Pol!Jon. Or what, does that not fulfill the Jonsa teen scene dreams of sweet sweet betrayal for thy true love Sansa?

Riddle #3:

"It's preposterous to think Jon, who has always tried to do the right thing, would betray(or even kill) his aunt just for shits and giggles."

So what is Jon, Jonsas? An uber asshole who is Sansa's personal garbage disposal? And will callously abuse, use, and manipulate a rape victim? Or does he have a conscience? Because yeah, I think the the two are mutually exclusive here. How does a decent person with a conscience (who Jon is supposed to be) do this to... anyone? Why would Jon do this to Dany? What has Dany done to warrant this? Conquer? Robb Stark, Jon's brother and best friend. Stannis Baratheon, the claimant Jon supported in ADWD. The Young Dragon, Jon's idol. How dare Dany want to take back her family's dynasty! Just like the Starks!! All the Northern houses love the Starks and want them back! (Except the ones who don't) The Skagosi too!! (Except they keep rebelling when the Starks try to force them to submit...) But seriously, since when does Jon hate Targaryen conquests? Or... Targaryens? But I digress, let's look at Pol!Jon. In contrast, Pol!Jon hates the young conquerer Dany! How dare Dany conquest!! Pol!Jon doesn't idolize the Dorne-invading dragon-riding Young Dragon!! Eww!!! But here's the thing: nothing about Pol!Jon makes Jon the hero as this particular Jonsa likes to argue. Everything makes him the asshole -- from every angle. Jon can't be a hero performing 100% villainous, unnecessary, and stupid stupid actions all so he can dispose of one girl (Dany) so he can go ahead and marry another girl (Sansa) who looked down on him in childhood for wholly classist reasons. (No no, no misogyny here!) Everything Jon does in this scenario justifies Dany (or Dany's supporters) going to war against him -- and the North -- because it's treason. How can Jon realistically get away with that. How would GRRM let Jon realistically get away with that. For Jonsa?

It doesn't matter how much of an asshole you are dying for Dany to be, it won't make Pol!Jon any less of an asshole in his characterization or actions toward Dany.

And if Pol!Jon hates Dany so much that he's willing to abuse, use, and callously exploit a rape victim when her love for him is apparently so "cheap" (because apparently, these are your versions of them), it seems like he is doing extreme stuff for shits and giggles -- and to make the situation far far worse (handing Dany a reason to go to war against the North, intentions to start another civil war despite multiple wars going on and the North's lacking resources, making an enemy of a powerful queen and during a time of probable desperation...).

I'd call that psychotic. (On another note, I'm a Jon stan but... uh, there are times in ASOIAF when Jon does not do quite the right thing...)

I know Aegony has been theorized as endgame ship for a reason but imo those are the same people who have grossly mischaracterized something about Dany and Jon.

The irony.

They are the same ones who have denied Dark Dany and insist how her greed for the IT was actually just her doing her duty as the last Targ and that Sansa was the power hungry one actually.

Hilariously, this happened in the same show Jonsa never became close to canon (not matter what Jonsa conspiracy theories say), the same show in which Sansa kept risking the life of her "beloved" brother Jon and betrayed him multiple times (funny, Dany never did that...), and the same show of which GRRM has repeatedly said his ending would be different. Oops :) And Jonsas wonder why the fandom has a problem with them.

Sansa, a woman who was brought up as a proper lady, with all lady like training, trained in all womanly arts, diplomacy, manners, grew around LF, Cersei and many others who were also trained in such arts:

*sarcastically in a hateful, fake way*

-Winterfell is yours, Your Grace.

-HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO FEED THE GREATEST ARMY THIS WORLD HAS EVER SEEN BITCH TAKE THEM WITH YOU AND GO AWAY

- What do dragons eat?

Dany, a woman born in Dragonstone, taken away by her brother to Essos, always on the run, no proper education, married to a savage, a horde of savages were her people, had an outcast, an old man, a little girl as her advisors and at a later stage a dwarf who hardly gave sensible and logical advice:

-Thank you for letting us into your home, Lady Sansa. The north is as beautiful as your brother claimed, as are you.

-I feel like we're at odds with one another, why is that? (Tries to start on the right foot once again. Takes the initiative)

Clearly shows how sometimes even if you have the best of teachers and family and surroundings and upbringing, if what's inside is ugly, no amount of make up and sugar coated words will prevent it from jumping out.

THANK YOU DAENERYS TARGARYEN!

Why did winterfell stand so long? Because of the trenches built all around the place, by the unsullied and northmen, which was an 80-20 ratio, because obviously the unsullied were more in number than the northmen and thus more hands to help (you can see in that unaired scene where the stinky ass spits water, the people working are unsullied mostly) Thank you Daenerys

How did the men fight? With the weapons made of dragonglass, from dragonstone, given by Dany, mined by Dany's men, which she all provided in return for nothing. Thank you protector of the realm

Who lit the trenches all around the winterhell castle? Who burnt thousands of wights which would have entered and killed the people and the war would have been over in minutes? Thank you mother of dragons

Without daenerys and her army and her dragons, the war would have been over mere minutes after it started. The war could have been won without the northmen but it could not have been won without Dany and the unsullied and the dothraki and the dragons. The entire humanity owes everything to the last and the only true queen of Westeros

There are more scenes in game of thrones to prove Sansa was growing up to be a Cersei lannister 2.0 than scenes that prove Dany going mad

jonsa is the most sickest ship in the history of sick ships in the universe. It makes me so sick to my stomach and makes me wanna puke on jonsas. I'm so anti jonsa, as everyone should be. Because my take is jonsas are people with deep rooted issues.

Sue me.