They Way Any Quote Is Always The Subversion For Sansa And The Destruction For Dany They Are Living In

they way any quote is always the subversion for Sansa and the destruction for Dany 💀 they are living in their little bubble and hating and hating and hating and it still won’t make Jon fall in love with Sansa instead of Daenerys

Daenerys Is Also An Outcast

I've been rereading the books with my friend and normally i notice the typical outcasts like Tyrion, Jon, Arya, and Jaime (after his hand gets chopped), but no one ever brings up that Dany is also an outcast at least in the

first book and i think it's intentional by George. By the very nature of her blood she's an outcast. I think people assume or forget that even though she's a Targaryen which would in any other previous timeline would be a plus in the current timeline it's a negative.

She's been on the run her whole life avoiding assassins and never having a true stable place to grow and I think that gets downplayed by readers.

There's no other highborn POV that i can remember who has this background. Tyrion, Jon and Arya are for sure outcasts who get treated differently but they all grew up in castles with the best of the best.

What did Dany have other than Viserys? Viserys was good for a time but after he sold their mothers crown he became cruel and abusive. Then her brother sells her to Khal Drogo, a much older man who Viserys says "he'd let the whole kalassar you know what her" and then she's sold like cattle because she's simply a bargaining tool since she's a girl.

After her marriage to Khaal Drogo the assault is so bad that she says she's unalive herself. She's in the absolute lowest place and luckily she has her dragon dream but if not she would've been gone.

Sorry I'm kinda rambling but I just wonderd why she's not included in the outcast discussion. She's 14 year old child bride who's been on the run her whole life who never had power until she was sold to Khaal Drogo and even then it was a very small act of power. George himself says in an interview “Dany is an exile, powerless, penniless, at the mercy of other people” 2003 interview with GRRM(after ASOS) the dragon Robert Shaw. To me that's an outcast.

You know what, I'm still upset about something.

Why does Sansa have that attitude towards Daenerys when she asks her "what do dragons EAT anyways?"

I mean, what the hell is her problem? What does she expect Daenerys to say, grass? air?

Last time I checked, it was them who went to Daenerys for help because they needed her dragons. So, what's with this bitter superiority attitude of Sansa? Seriously, I find her incredibly unpleasant.

Do you want her dragons or not?

It's so stupid..

So Taylor Swift really said DAENERYS RIGHTS and we've decided to stan harder 🐍🐲

considering how many people from the north / sworn to starks / related to them betrayed starks in the past and how many people from the south saved them, it's really ironic how they could not trust daenerys "because she's not one of them"

boltons were ones of you. you remember what they did to your brother, his wife and their unborn child? what boltons from the north did to your mother and your people? what boltons did to sansa? theon was one of you. he literally was raised with you and how that ended for robb, rickon and bran? how it ended for ser rodrik? shall we speak of how people of winterfell suffered because of theon and boltons? master luwin's name means something to you? what your dear aunt lysa, related to you by blood, did to you, sansa? should i remind you that it was karstarks who abandoned robb? that it was people from the north who later refused to help starks take winterfell back?

or shall we speak how it was ser davos from the south that helped them to gather allies? perhaps name "the hound" reminds you of someone, someone idk who protected both sansa and arya? jaqen was not from the north and yet he helped you, arya, beric dondarrion and his brotherhood did as well. oh and what about gendry and hot pie? since when they were from the north? now wildings are okay bc they fought for you? but they are from behind the wall, how can you trust someone who's not one of you? brienne of tarth helped you. littlefinger and knights of the vale saved you. tyrion protected you. margaery and lady olenna helped you. neither from the north

but it's daenerys when you draw the line because she's not from the north, she's not stark? damn, she should have let you all die and keep her people and dragons in essos

People in the ASOIAF fandom are very obsessed with passive women they can project onto. The obsessions with the characters of show!Alicent, Sansa, Elia, and Helaena are perfect examples of this.

In the show, Alicent is changed from a woman who actively seeks power and heads the scheming of the green faction into a passive victim who watches and reacts to the men around her. And yet, despite this being a much more boring characterization, the show version is vastly more preferred by her stans. They condemn her book character as simply an "evil stepmother trope" while completely ignoring how their fav is just as blank and tropey as they accuse her book counterpart to be. Alicent stans want her to be the show's blank victimized canvas.

Helaena is someone who the show changed very little in the adaptation, because both book and show Helaena have little impact on the plot other than to be victims of their surroundings. Both women are forced to marry Aegon at thirteen and have his children, go through B&C, and are the least active members of the green faction. The show only added elements to make her more tragic: her dreaming and autistic behaviors. Helaena's character makes her the perfect canvas for certain fans to project themselves onto as she simply exists to be victimized and play the dutiful wife/daughter despite her circumstances, just like the show version of her mother.

Elia Martell is a woman who we know very little about. She died thirteen years before the events of ASOIAF and, unlike characters like Rhaegar and Lyanna, she has no pov characters who think about her enough for us to learn anything about her. The only things we know are that she was loved by her family, was in an arranged marriage to Rhaegar, had his two (confirmed) children, and was brutally raped and murdered by Lannister men. She is an unknown character and, again unlike Rhaegar and Lyanna, has no known active role in the events surrounding the Rebellion. Because of these things, she is, again, the perfect blank canvas for people to project on.

Sansa is, despite being a prominent pov character in ASOIAF, a very passive character. She rarely takes action in her circumstances and simply reacts to them while trying to survive. There's nothing wrong with this, she's a young girl who has never had to fight for anything in her life, it's not unexpected or condemnable for her reaction to her circumstances to be this way. However, her passivity is something her stans obsess over. She is praised for being the "perfect lady" and they project their desires to see her rule onto her and how they view her story.

These women have been chosen by these fans because of their passivity and tragedy. They love that the women have suffered in the name of the "duty" they believe is higher than them. Because they love passivity, they hate the women of ASOIAF who are active in their own lives and fight to better their circumstances. Characters like Rhaenyra, Arya, Daenerys, and Lyanna are all massive influences on the world and purposely chose to challenge the patriarchy. Since they did not take their suffering silently, theses certain fans view them as wrong and hate them. They only love the women they can project on and who simply refuse to fight for better lives.