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I was scrolling through someone’s blog and saw that she’d made a post shitting on people shipping Podrick and Sansa and insinuating that people only do it to spite other shippers and because they don’t ship her with Jon????? Bestie please this is such a niche ship why are you going out of your way to attack it? And sure I do not ship her with Jon but many of the people who reblogged my Podsa post DO like bffr does anyone actually ship something out of spite?

I don’t think Sansa got a bigger focus in the show. At least not until the show got past the books but we don’t know what will happen in the books. Sansa Bolton was a mistake. Having the smallfolk try to assault Sansa was a mistake. There were mistakes made in the show with Sansa but Sansa is a main character. Sansa has more chapters than BRAN. Bran, the heart of the magical story. And nobody is arguing that he’s not a main character. She has been a POV character for as long as Dany, Jon, Arya, Tyrion, and Bran. If the point was for Sansa to be a window to Littlefinger’s plot, why was she introduced as a POV in book 1 before she spends any substantial time with him? Are you trying to tell me that she got one chapter more than Arya (whom NOBODY argues isn’t an important or main character) in book 1 just so she could briefly encounter Littlefinger? So we could see into KL? Many characters were in KL at that time! And like. Critically. Littlefinger’s plot REVOLVES AROUND SANSA. She couldn’t be swapped with anyone else. If her purpose was just to clash with Arya then why did we need both sides of the conflict? Blah blah blah original outline blah blah that means very little to me given that one of the MAIN THINGS we know about George’s writing style is that he does not make long term plans and stick to them! His plan for Sansa has obviously changed since he first started workshopping the story. Sure it’s corny when people say that Sansa charmed George or whatever, because she’s a fictional child, but he clearly realizes he could do something more interesting and more significant than what he originally planned. She’s the maid with the venom dripping from her hair and the same maid who will slay the giant.

You can just say you don’t like that she was given Jeyne’s part and that it served to diminish Jon’s unique bond with Arya. That’s reasonable and I agree! But saying that doing so was giving more focus to Sansa when Sansa was already a big focus with her own independent story is just incorrect. The show runners just didn’t like what was happening in Sansa’s focus and thought it was boring and clearly didn’t know what to do with it. If you think book!Sansa won’t play as big of a part in the last two books (should they be released lol) as show!Sansa did in the last few seasons, that’s your opinion and theory.

And like. I get it. I used to think Sansa wasn’t a main character in the books. But I hadn’t finished the books yet or made the effort to meaningfully engage with her character because it came close to some personal wounds of mine. And if she isn’t for you, that’s okay. Not everyone is going to connect with her. Her story so far has had less direct payoff than some other characters and if you don’t like that it’s not any flaw or fault of yours! But she is a main character and the outright denial of that seems at this point like an intentional jab at her fans meant to stir the pot

More in-depth post to come but some portions of this fandom only very selectively understand Watsonian vs Doylist analysis. Like they’ll be able to understand that, despite the fact that it’s perfectly normal in-universe for bastards to be thought of as inherently treacherous and untrustworthy and deprived of the rights of trueborns, we are supposed to understand that this is wrong. But then when it comes to Targaryen exceptionalism and incest and teen marriages, suddenly they’re unable to step outside the universe and we’re not supposed to criticize these practices and relationships because it’s okay in-universe and we should be complaining that the author wrote this to be norm instead of understanding that George is trusting his audience to see that teenage girls marrying grown men is wrong despite being acceptable in Westeros. Suddenly it’s “George just has an incest kink” and then they’ll accuse YOU of not understanding the text

Asoiaf fandom is so crazy so many people are just openly hostile and unwilling to accept different takes and have civil discussions and accept when they misinterpreted someone’s post.

User 1: *brief speculation*

User 2: fuck you and you’re wrong because of x y and z

User 1: ah I see your point! I think you have misunderstood me in some ways, let me clear it up! You make some good points here and I’ve talked about that before! Here is a link to a post I wrote about it! :)

User 2: nuh uh nuh uh nuh uh I didn’t misunderstand, let me tell you what you ACTUALLY meant, you’re still wrong, fuckyoufuckyoufuckyou

User 3: #owned #anti x stans

Why is Dany almost always drawn as this angelic grown woman with long hair and a hourglass figure? I know she's pretty, but this girl was walking around Essos bald, starved, with cracked nipples and 3 dragons to feed. Let her get dirty!

The cowardice of it.

Let her look like her iconic self! A bald, small fourteen-year-old, body still post-partum, with a lion's head for a hood crossing the desert with her small khalasar looking for a destination like some kind of knock-off Dothraki Dragon Moses. She just performed a murderous miracle and brought baby WMDs to life. They are marching and starving like young Stannis holding Storm's End through a year-old siege. They are drinking sulfuric water. The people are dropping like flies. Still they march. Her people die and her dragons thrive and her only mantra is that her word is their law and there's a star she needs to follow.

This is not a sex symbol. This is not an inspiring girl power fashion plate.

This is a raw, determined human in rough condition, with few lines left to cross and less cares to give about it.

People want a silver-haired, silk-clad, half-dressed dragon barbie when they should be celebrating this feral ticking time bomb.

Annoying people: “I have nothing against [female character], in fact, I like her! I just hate it when people think she’s important 🤗 It’s okay to like minor characters! 🤗 You can be a fan of a minor character without pretending they matter like my faves do!🤗”

"Ugh, Dany's so entitled for wanting to take back her ancestral seat. She's definitely going to be the villain to the hero Starks. I can't wait until they take back their ancestral seat — they're entitled to it, after all."

The way antis just ignore GRRM literally confirming in an interview that slavery in the world he created was based off of the Roman Empire's in which slavery wasn't based off of race,so all kinds of people could be enslaved due to victories in war of the opposing side regardless of skin color like in other areas in the real world throughout history.Not to mention GRRM recognized and acknowledged the casting choices of the slaves in GoT based off of the options of those who auditioned for the cameos in the filming location of foreign country in another continent,Morocco (if I remember correctly),which isn't accurate to the slaves Dany (who is literally a former sex slave to Khal Drogo in spite of being forced into a marriage with him against her will as evident in Dany chapters before the wedding the handmaidens helping her freshen and dress up tell her Khal Drogo is so rich even his slaves wear golden collars while they are closing the golden torque around her neck,which creeps Dany out because she's actually very perceptive btw) frees who vary in background,race,ethnicity,and skin color,meaning white slaves exist too🤦🏾‍♀️

It's a fact that Dany's story is riddled with violence against women of color and that she's the perpetrator in several cases, so mentioning her race is actually necessary (Sansa being white has no bearing on her story because again, she never hurt or killed any woc). Besides burning Mirri, r*ping Irri and torturing the wineseller's daughter, she also slaps Eroeh in the face. She looted one city, destroyed another to gain an army of slaves, took over another one for a trial run at ruling and plans to abandon it to invade and destroy a continent that she (and the thousands of warlords she's bringing with her) has never been to to demand fealty from people who don't want her as their queen. Why don't you at least acknowledge that Dany is written as a villain and that your hatred of Sansa is, by comparison, irrational?

It's ironic that the biggest criticism of how George writes characters of color is that he uses them in service of white characters' arcs and that's exactly what you've decided to do in my inbox. Nothing about liking these characters, wanting to see more of their stories, or wanting better for them. Nothing about wanting to start a conversation about the racism in George's writing. Nope. Just you using these characters of color and their suffering, which you supposedly care about, as props because you feel a "pure", white character is being unfairly hated. I have to laugh. The only "hate" I've given to Sansa is disliking her annoying stans and pointing out how she's written in the books but apparently, that's enough to have you clutching your pearls.

And the thing about racism is that, for Dany to be capable of being racist, it would mean that race HAS to be a factor in their society. That would mean that Sansa, as a white woman, would subsequently benefit from her white identity. Which is why I found that so funny from the first ask you sent. You can't just decide that race is only a factor in a single character's story. I get it though, you haven't actually thought any of this through because your only motivation is to put down Dany and prop up Sansa. This is how I know you don't care at all about racism and you're just copying talking points you've heard instead of thinking for yourself.

It's a fact that Dany's story is riddled with violence against women of color and that she's the perpetrator in several cases, so mentioning her race is actually necessary (Sansa being white has no bearing on her story because again, she never hurt or killed any woc). Besides burning Mirri, r*ping Irri and torturing the wineseller's daughter, she also slaps Eroeh in the face. She looted one city, destroyed another to gain an army of slaves, took over another one for a trial run at ruling and plans to abandon it to invade and destroy a continent that she (and the thousands of warlords she's bringing with her) has never been to to demand fealty from people who don't want her as their queen. Why don't you at least acknowledge that Dany is written as a villain and that your hatred of Sansa is, by comparison, irrational?

It's ironic that the biggest criticism of how George writes characters of color is that he uses them in service of white characters' arcs and that's exactly what you've decided to do in my inbox. Nothing about liking these characters, wanting to see more of their stories, or wanting better for them. Nothing about wanting to start a conversation about the racism in George's writing. Nope. Just you using these characters of color and their suffering, which you supposedly care about, as props because you feel a "pure", white character is being unfairly hated. I have to laugh. The only "hate" I've given to Sansa is disliking her annoying stans and pointing out how she's written in the books but apparently, that's enough to have you clutching your pearls.

And the thing about racism is that, for Dany to be capable of being racist, it would mean that race HAS to be a factor in their society. That would mean that Sansa, as a white woman, would subsequently benefit from her white identity. Which is why I found that so funny from the first ask you sent. You can't just decide that race is only a factor in a single character's story. I get it though, you haven't actually thought any of this through because your only motivation is to put down Dany and prop up Sansa. This is how I know you don't care at all about racism and you're just copying talking points you've heard instead of thinking for yourself.

If TG wanna hate Targaryens and Daenerys, fine! Just stay consistent in your hatred. Stop stanning the Greens, they’re Targaryens and never once refer to themselves as Hightowers. Stop comparing your favs to Targaryens. Say goodbye to “my ship is just like Jaehaerys and Alysanne or Aemon and Naerys” and “my faves are like Aegon, Rhaenys and Visenya.” Stop wanting your faves to have dragons, I thought they’re weapons of mass destruction and nuclear bombs ? Stop giving them elements of Daenerys’ storyline, her quotes, titles and traits. No more “I’m no ordinary woman, my dreams come true” for Helaena, no “mother of dragons” titles for Alicent and Elia, no more “my fave will ride one of Daenerys’ dragons!” Stop stanning House Tully, Baratheon and Tyrell, they owe their relevance to Aegon the Colonizer, they are literally collaborators with a colonial government per your own arguments! Stop wanting Jon to be the son of Rhaegar, he was a colonizer who cheated on his Italianx wife, stop basing your arguments on Jon being Azor Ahai on the basis of being Rhaegar’s son, stop fantasizing about him riding a dragon or wielding Dark Sister. Stop wanting your favs to sit on the Iron Throne, that’s a Targaryen creation, and by the way they should not rule the Seven Kingdom’s either, this state was created by House Targaryen, let Westeros decolonize and go back to being seven backwards regions going to war under the smallest pretext! Stop stanning Young Griff, he’s a Targaryen and canonically doesn’t mention his Martell mother. Stop whining about the deaths of Jaehaera and Helaena, they’re Targaryens, shouldn’t you be happy that there’s two less ? Stop watching HOTD and don’t watch any future Targaryen centric prequels. Stop shipping Rhaenicent, one part of this ship is literally someone you consider a nazi colonizer whose ancestors genocided Westerosi, why would you want her anywhere near your pure Andal favorite ?

The truth is that the Targaryens are the coolest house in ASoIaF with some of the best characters and Targ antis know it.

I know it may be difficult to comprehend for some, but Daenerys really is Azor Ahai… AND the Prince That Was Promised… AND the Stallion Who Mounts the World

The latest addition on the ridiculous rhetoric of Dany's antis is that the girl feels hungry at the end of ADWD which according to them symbolises her " hunger for power".

Meanwhile Dany at the end of ADWD is all alone in the Dothraki Sea, has diarrhea, retches up green slime, is starving for weeks so of course she feels "hungry".

I understand that those people only read the books to find "hidden meanings" and "foreshadowing" of bad queen Dany but some things aren't that deep. Sometime hunger is just...hunger for food.

why is it that alicent and sansa are given the interiority no one ever has for rhaenyra and dany. why are they the long-suffering chessmasters while rhaenyra and dany are the warmongering power hungry whores. as though rhaenyra and dany have not suffered at all and are not intelligent or have any political savvy. like bffr

You cannot love Daenerys as a villain. When you actually love a character, you love and accept that character for who they really are, not for what you project onto the character. Daenerys as a villain is an utter betrayal of her character and everything she stands for. If you say you love Daenerys as a villain, you don’t really love Daenerys. You love the projection that you make onto her character, you love the concept of a villain that you think Dany would be, not who she really is.

Lmfao, never mind that the Targaryens switched from Valyrian god worship to the Faith of the Seven to adopt Westerosi culture.

Never mind that they adopted a house sigil to adopt to Westerosi House customs.

Never mind that they married people from non-Valyrian descended Houses like Martell, Dayne, Blackwood, Arryn...

Literally what part of this says "spit on Westerosi customs" lmfao?

What is Daenerys without her dragons?

A great military strategist

A resilient woman

A hero with the courage to face a dragon with only a whip

A queen that is not petty and forgives people that spit on her or try to attack at her own court

A woman whose intuition and capacity for learning from experience enabled her to wake dragons out of stone

A revolutionary that fights to change the status quo and help the oppressed

A queen who plants trees, builds armies to defend her people, negotiates for trade, works on projects for irrigation, compromises for peace, but also a queen that is not afraid to turn to fire and blood if that’s necessary to protect her people’s freedom

A curious, intellectual mind that constantly seeks to learn more, that listens to Ser Barristan’s lessons in military matters, that goes to the House of The Undying seeking knowledge and stays in Meereen to learn and take responsibility for her actions

A bookworm

A queen that listens to all

A queen that values all people regardless of status, nobility, culture, gender or wealth

A polyglot

A person capable to adapt and respect different cultures, but also someone that tries to change things that are wrong

A sexually free woman

A girl who dreams of home, family and love

A compassionate person

A queen that puts her people before herself

sansa is the whitest white to ever white;ghost & bryden rivers are albino yet she's even more white than them but nonas have the fucking audacity to project the embodiment & epitome of whiteness;white victimhood & white feminism on Dany of all people whose narrative is poc-coded;whose skin tans so easily dark like some of her ancestors that she can blend in with the dothraki & look like them after assimilating to their culture;whose family members/race grrm regretted not making black; whose lifestyle is exotic & foreign (very essosi) in nature compared to westeros' (european/white) standards;NTM Dany can not sympathized but actually empathize w/ many of the common hardships & issues immigrants & refuges;mainly poc face:displacement;poverty;famine/hunger/forced starvation;homelessness;consistently being othered;being fetishized;racism;xenophobia;discrimination even in the context of the poorly adapted shitshow that is got + Dany can actually handle spicy food & loves it w/ high tolerance unlike being the whitest white to ever white in every damn way 100% ignorant sheltered narrow-minded uncultured spoiled brat privileged naive gullible classist bigot aloof two-faced fake narcissist sansa still only really truly caring about herself who wants & needs for nothing even as a "bAsTaRd";learned nothing really valuable or useful or morally upright;still easy to manipulate & offend;can't even tolerate spicy food;looks down on not only bastards & unconventionally;unattractive people but also the summer islanders (who are poc) still practices grandiosity;displays delusions of grandeur w/ her superiority complex w/ her pov chapters the only character who grrm explicitly mentioned is an unreliable narrator; but nonas keep coping ig🙃🤷🏾‍♀️🤡😭☠️🤣💀

Funny how there are people who see Daenerys as a woc when she's isn't but when people point out that the Martells and people from Dorne are canon poc, that's going too far. Ok cool. So where's the evidence where it's implied that Daenerys is a woc because all I see is alot of stuff connected to the white savior trope instead.

@etherealdany you need to see the ridiculousness I had to witness just 4 minutes ago

Comparing a real war with real lives on the line to a fictional war in a fantasy world. I really need people to learn how to separate fiction from reality. QUICKLY!

Making this about a fictional character UNPROVOKED. And to say “Do you know nothing of history?”????????

DO YOU?! I don’t remember dragons being a part of world history.

Can you guys believe that book!Dany makes Irri, her former slave, pleasure her a second time, after acknowledging that she doesn’t understand the concept of free will and only sees it as her duty following the first time, and the takeaway for many people is “we stan a bisexual queen” ? Yikes. You stan a rapist is what you do.

If George was going to make Daenerys evil in the books or cause her to die after intensely suffering and losing everything what would be the point of making her the child of three (third Daenerys) or setting the precedent of suffering, abused and murdered TARGARYEN WOMEN? What would be the point of showing her grow up exiled, starving and homeless on the run with no one but a rotating cabal of odd adults who want to use her and a brother who treats her like an object? What would be the point of showing her develop real, genuine diplomatic skills and make hard choices for the good of her people when it would be easier to just have her use the dragons? What would be the point of Dany being the ONLY Targaryen, and having her never once benefit from her surname or ancestry? What would be the point of having her suffer and starve in the trenches with her people? What would be the point of “no one ever looked for a girl”? More importantly why do you want a teenage bridal slave to be “put in her place”? Why do you want an orphan who grew up in poverty to suffer and fall so someone who grew up in a fucking castle could take everything from her?