Response Summarized

Response Summarized

Please DO NOT harass anyone there's been more than enough of that to go around during this whole thing, I'm so mentally drained.

I will likely not look at things on the situation anymore; it's been aggravating my anxiety to high levels for days and bringing my mind back to thinking about my past years-long experience irl with what might've been emotional abuse? 

My takeaway from this: guilty? innocent? I'd say innocent in some regards and guilty in others. A gray area? perhaps not as simple as some believed. I'm sorry for all involved and that somewhat includes Alex Kister themself as no one deserves to be doxxed and harassed as they were. The seriousness of the situation is that these rash responses could've driven them to committing or resulted in them being killed instead of receiving this response, think about that.

This has been extremely immaturely and awfully handled by the internet and community, think on your actions because some responses made were very much illegal.

Also remember that it is not within your right to be like, "Alex, we all forgive you🥺" You were not the one who got hurt. People still had their mental health declined by Alex's reckless actions, which I am truly sorry for. 

I'll likely still post TMC content sometimes, as I'm emotionally attached to the characters. The fandom itself got me through some difficult times, and I would have stayed regardless only due to that, as I never had any of a parasocial emotional attachment to Alex, only knowing them to be the creator of this series and nothing more. I do not support the actions committed.

I think that both Ven and Alex need to take a step away from the internet, as well as their past relationship issues, and go offline. I believe TMC (the official series at least) should NOT be continued out of respect for the people Alex hurt with reckless behavior; however, I will still be staying in the TMC community; do not harass me for that decision. 

Anyone may feel free to share tldr I got off discord to other sites or with mutuals, friends etc. If you have the time please actually read the document itself.

(I would also like to preface this with this: I only watch the anime ((Eng Dubbed- on a piracy sight no less so further disconnection from the mangaka)). When I post about the series ((primarily regarding my AUs)) I am talking about specifically the anime, including the changes from the manga to adaptation.)

I spent months worrying about coming across as a bad person for having MIA being one of my favorite things- and I’m just very tired. So I am so happy to see someone outside of the fandom defending us. I love MIA for its many good traits, not for the problematic under tones. And I, in no way condone the actions of the creator.

MIA to me, will forever be about traumatized kids finding love and joy within each other despite the cruel world around them. Finding light in the darkest of places. About perseverance and determination. Lost kids who found each other but not a way home; though in the end maybe that’s all they need.

And I hate to see it get boiled down to its worst qualities; to its awful creator

(PS. This post was done on a whim without much forethought- simply it was rash. So I apologize for the possible poor wording or passive aggression)

I really really need y‘all to use some critical thinking right now.

Like it or not, but „Made in Abyss“ is extremely successful and critically acclaimed. It’s not some Dark Web niche child torture porn. Most anime fans have checked it out at some point or another.

The story isn’t centered around child molestation. Children are the main characters and it’s a dark twisted story so dark twisted things are happening to them. Is it my cup of tea? No. I dropped it after a few episodes, though I can’t remember why.

However, a plot like this isn’t unique to this story either. Though dark in a different way, „Promised Neverland“ also had child orphans as lead characters and terrible shit was happening to them as well. I really loved that one. Does that mean I enjoy watching children suffer? Fuck no. I enjoy the plot and watching these kids overcome the darkness and the same seems to be true for most MiA fans. Now let me make it clear: I’m in no way saying PN is as problematic (it seems like the MiA author actually caters to the messed up subsection of the fanbase on bonus pages that don’t get published and translated), but simply pointing out that there’s been other popular horror series with child protagonists.

Is the author of „Made in Abyss“ problematic as fuck? It sure seems like it, but that shouldn’t reflect on his readers. I sure as hell don’t research the authors of every piece of media I consume and I’m pretty sure that goes for most people.

I‘m also not defending the pedos in the fandom, but y’all, even My Little Pony has a huge chunk of those in the fandom but they’re clearly not a reflection of the entire fanbase.

TLDR: Don’t base your entire opinion on Twitter threads. Research the content you’re criticizing. Use critical thinking. Someone using big words doesn’t mean they’re right.

For reference, here’s the critical reception section of MiA‘s wiki page.

And from the reply by @niwakunis - some censored manga panels so you can get an idea of what the controversy is about:

Controversial scenes and elements are also listed and further clarified here:

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I hate that planned obsolescence is starting to reach fandoms. I hate that fandoms are starting to die after two, three years, I hate that whenever you stop getting content that means the fandom will die and be gone.

I need people to stop trying to brush off old interests as being 'cringe' as soon as you lose interest, or worse: make it seem like it's imoral to like something that they themselves held so dear before.

Fandoms are meant to last for years and years, the moment content stops being created is the moment we truly thrive because we keep creating the content ourselves the way we love it and expand on the things that are already there for us.

I don't care if you lost interest on something, it's fine and normal even, but stop trying to blame and make fun of people who still do love the fandom and the content and the things we can create.

I need people to enjoy fandom again

SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK👏👏👏

This is a vent and don't come screaming at me but I'm genuinely uncomfy when people compare "Say No to This" and "There Are Other Ways". Maria wasn't holding Alexander's men hostage. Alexander got with her of his own volition and the blackmail occurred only after they were going "steady". Both in musical and in real life. The "Reynold's Pamphlet" exists (Summary of it). Odysseus needed to get his men back. He was afraid of Circe. Maria had very little power over Alexander, she was way younger than him and already in an abusive situation. Alexander is not like Odysseus in this way. These two situations and songs are not comparable. (This isn't to hate Circe btw. Coercion is fucked, but she's also an immortal goddess. Every single immortal has "bad and good" moments and this is one of her bad. Morally Gray. If you're a fan of Circe, good for you. Just understand that this was fucked up. I think Apollo is neat but that doesn't mean that what he did to Cassandra was okay. Circe is cool but that doesn't mean what she did here was okay either. We good? Good.) Or when it gets portrayed as romantic. It's not. It's so so not. And it never should be.

There are lyrics that Circe sings in "There Are Other Ways" that are:

"Don't be afraid,

Think of your past.

Don't break from this"

before kind of cutting off to join Odysseus in "So Much Power."

Don't break from this? Don't break from this! Wow! What romance! I feel safe 🙃

Odysseus says "I'm just a man. Forgive me." Just a man usually only gets said when there are gods involved. Zeus tells him to kill baby Astynax. A god is telling him to do something he doesn't want to do but he does it because of the consequences that would happen otherwise. "My Goodbye" has "Just A Man" in how Athena tells him he's just a man and that's when she leaves. A god is involved and he's not happy but he can't control Athena. He says it again during this song before he "gives in". It's always acknowledging that he's just a man. A regular man now tossed into a world of immortals and monsters. THAT'S THE POINT! The "man" part isn't saying that "he can't help himself" because he's a man! It's because he's mortal!

I know it's mostly a joke and I don't hate anyone who has made the joke but ick. 😞

Sarah Heathcliff

making this impulsive post just to say how much I fucking love Sarah from The Mandela Catalogue.

I LOVE HER, she’s just so fucking badass and caring and just djdhdjdhsjhdhddHDKDHDJDH I LOVE HER SO MUCH AAAAAGHH RAAAAAAAAHHH

anyways I genuinely love the writing of her, she’s so serious and work focused yet she’s still very caring and concerned for those around her. And for some reason I barley see much people characterizing her caring nature, and it’s not like it’s subtle, it’s right in your face! I mean- at least to me she doesn’t even seem to really consider Adam a friend? Like- they don’t seem to be friends is what I’m saying, I do have evidence to support this but this is a ramble post so Im not doing that. But at the very least they aren’t to close yet Sarah still actively worries and cares for him! “How about you make a memorial video for the only person that ever cared about.” My ass! Sarah is very confrontational about things and can get heated so she can come across as being uncaring! But we can see that she DOES care about Adam and worry about him when she sent a voicemail to him. She said to “please don’t make me have to worry about you, please.” The fact that she even would worry shows that she cares! and the fact she even sent that voicemail shows she already was worrying about him!

and then we see her with Evelin who she at this point doesn’t even know that well! Yet she still chose to comfort her and try to console her! She was basically just letting Evelin vent to her!

of course there’s also how she is with her brother Mark who she seems to fiercely love and care about despite her being only 3 when he died and just in general a lot of other things but I don’t really want this to get too long.

im sure people already knew all of this, I mean- it’s right there, but it’s interesting how not much people show it.

idk I genuinely love Sarah so much and she has genuinely helped me whenever I got anxious. I’d just think of her and I’d feel better.

also Sarah would 100% adopt random children on the side of the road. She’d probably snatch up a bunch of orphaned babies and be the best fucking mother to them. She probably has grabbed a little lost child out of Thatchers arms and just took off running, yelling “fuck you!” To him /hj.

anyways I love Sarah so fucking much, I love her and Evelin and Adam and Thatcher and just AGDJDBDJRHFUUD I LOVE ALL OF THEM!

There’s a lot more Sarah related things I wanted to say like a headcanon/ theory-ish thing I have on why she cares so much about Mark and why she’s so burnt out and in general like that.

or her similarities to Thatchers I’ve noticed that make the fact that Sarah hates him more heart breaking.

also please forgive me for any mistakes, this was very impulsive.

“The blood on your hands is something you won’t lose. All you can choose is whose.”

Hey. Hey this line is fucking ruining me. What the fuck. I am so not okay about this god damn musical.