Guys..what If This Season Is The Opposite Of S4, Where Will Has Convinced Himself To Grow Up (aka No

guys…..what if this season is the opposite of s4, where will has convinced himself to “grow up” (aka no dnd, childish friendships, etc) which is why he has a NEW WATCH. he thinks mike doesn’t feel that way about him so he’s forcing himself to move on 😭😭😭 oh how the turn tables

thinking about this

hi is this the part you meant with someone saying something about a gay ending? i saw this on a video and it sounds like it could be. creelarke shippers say its subtext about henry being gay, what do you think? patty: it's a sad song, i like the gay ones best. henry: it doesn't have to be sad. you never know the ending till it's sung all through. patty: then let's make it a gay one. henry: sing your own ending.

Hi, I'm so sorry this took me a while to respond to. I saw it when I was out a few days ago and then forgot to go back to it! Yeah that sounds very much like the part I was referring to! Thank you for sharing, I'm relieved I wasn't hearing things lol Idk what creelarke is so I can't comment on that, but sure, it could be subtext for henry's sexuality if it's a conversation between him and patty? I'm not about to label him as straight just because he appeared to be in a hetero r'ship in the play, 'cos that would make me a hypocrite with my reading of Mike Wheeler in the show. But the only reason I personally side-eyed the moment myself was because this was essentially what I heard inbetween the lines: "This [story] seems to be a sad one. I like the gay [stories] best." "It might seem sad now, but it's not finished yet." "Then let's make it gay! That's in our control".

I'd love to think it could be a very sneaky Easter Egg to Stranger Things ending as a whole. It could apply to Henry as well, I have no idea - or to nothing, because like I said in my review, the context of the word 'gay' in the moment meant 'happy'. But it's sus to me because it's not really used in that context for today's audience, and the writer's must be aware of how that sounds. And it just seemed like such a deliberate thing to include when we're heading into Season 5, the ending of the show, which we know is going to have a focus on Will, our canon gay character, in his "coming of age" season. A lot of the GA already assume his story is a sad one. But... it hasn't been "sung all through" yet.

I'm glad that other people picked up on those lines, anyway. I guess we'll have to wait and see ♥

*[tender emotional music] starts playing*

vecna: ah will byers is finally here

//the first shadow spoilers

i am once again convinced that they set up byler in s4 to be a foil to hentty and give will the happy ending henry could’ve gotten with patty if things went right. will’s love for mike, his friends and family, and himself are going to be the key to the finale. if they miss out on byler after this and if they don’t give will powers then it’s just inconsistent writing.

i also think will’s powers are going to be very different from henry/el. my theory as of now is henry/el being destruction and will being creation, but that’s a lot to hope for. i do know that el and the other kids have henry’s powers because they got it from his blood, but will is a completely unique entity who has had his own personal interactions with the mind flayer and we have no idea what that means.

i wish they weren’t so subtle and quiet about will’s importance to the plot in s3&4 because the potential they have with this character is phenomenal.

I'm still on the "Dad... Was right... They were all... Right about me... " while sobbing Will coming out scene and mad bonus if they don't chicken out and include a good old "fag" there like. Ok you can separate your gay character from the homophobia that has shaped him by having other characters deliver it / have it delivered to the face of other characters for so long.

Even the van scene, as defining as it was, was coded and a large section of it was centered around Will's relationship to Mike and what Mike means to him. Will's sexuality reveal not to the audience but to the other characters is absolutely tied to byler but its root has always been Will's "being different", and while his feelings for Mike will probably accompany the coming out to whoever it is, the importance that's been placed in his own queerness and his characteristics means they must take central stage.

Imo there's a huge opportunity to explore targeted homophobia towards Will in his vecna vision via memories or vecna!hallucinations before they inevitably parallel the troy scene/show any kind of actual homophobia to him. This way his hurt over his sexuality can be more connected to the things he was first targeted about as a child other than his hurt over Mike not loving him back, towards which the van scene definitely leaned on more; for his s5 scenes, Mike should be the shorter mention and a non-coded elaboration of his queer experience in his own words should be the focus