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Was Ironwood right? Part 2 -
It's difficult to say if Ironwood's plan was the right plan during v8 like it was during v3. v8's theme was about how plans could get ruined due to no fault of anyone's, or perhaps the fault of everyone, and you can't do anything about it.
As it is said; "Man devises, but Heaven decides." Everyone was going to fail in v7 and v8. If RT had not intended it, then the fan outcry ensured it. After Ironwood proved himself more sympathetic than the main characters due to some freak of writing.
Perhaps it is better when discussing whether Ironwood was right in v8, to ask if Ironwood was the villain? Or was he the Hero of the story, in a 'Superman dying to stop Doomsday' kind of way and not 'a Villain is the Hero of his story' kind of way?
Heroism in fiction is selfless action, but must that action be morally right? Our heroes have historically committed acts which we wouldn't consider morally right. Yet fantasy is meant to be unrealistic, and our heroes in our stories should be held to a higher standard.
But ultimately, our Heroes should not be condemned for actions that are immoral. The legends of our historical Heroes are just as fantastic as our comic heroes, and they taught lessons that are as valuable as they are timeless.
So was Ironwood the Hero of v7 and v8? Well since this is a Pro-Ironwood blog ... But to be fair, let's address the two main incidents of Ironwood's 'villainy'.
Ironwood arresting RWBY seems to be a moment that was caused by RWBY. Not in a negative sense, but more in that RWBY were the ones who took the initiative to break the stalemate. There was no right course of action in that situation, and Ruby should have offered to go and evacuate Mantle's citizens to Atlas if Ironwood delayed the launch by an hour. Like any action hero worth his salt would do.
Ironwood would then have said; 'you have ONE Hour, not a second more. Ruby would then reply with a one-liner and shot off to save the world.
But what about Ironwood shooting down the SDC ships heading to save Mantle refugees, and threatening to nuke Mantle if RWBY did not hand Penny over?
First; Ironwood kept his word when RWBY 'kept' theirs, and RWBY followed up the backstabbing streak with a 2-0 score against Ironwood.
Second; Even if Ironwood nuked Mantle, would he be a villain if he did it to save another island city's worth of civilians? Boudica killed three cities worth of innocent Romans for the Iceni Tribe of Britons, and she is still considered a bally heroine today. Ironwood would also have destroyed Mantle for pretty good reasons, as he would have destroyed the key to opening the Vault and would have thus prevented Salem from taking the Staff.
In any case, we won't really know if Ironwood was playing a particularly brutal bluff. I'd say he was bluffing but I like Ironwood so that's a nut and a half. The more important question is whether such a bluff made Ironwood a villain.
I say, no. If Heroism is defined by Selfless, Ironwood in v8 more than fits the bill. Ironwood unironically puts himself on the line to keep Atlas, and in the process Remnant, safe. He is willing to literally tear himself apart to stop Salem. Ironwood is selfless if nothing else.
But if Ironwood is the hero, what does that make RWBY?
Was Ironwood right? Part 2 -
It's difficult to say if Ironwood's plan was the right plan during v8 like it was during v3. v8's theme was about how plans could get ruined due to no fault of anyone's, or perhaps the fault of everyone, and you can't do anything about it.
As it is said; "Man devises, but Heaven decides." Everyone was going to fail in v7 and v8. If RT had not intended it, then the fan outcry ensured it. After Ironwood proved himself more sympathetic than the main characters due to some freak of writing.
Perhaps it is better when discussing whether Ironwood was right in v8, to ask if Ironwood was the villain? Or was he the Hero of the story, in a 'Superman dying to stop Doomsday' kind of way and not 'a Villain is the Hero of his story' kind of way?
Heroism in fiction is selfless action, but must that action be morally right? Our heroes have historically committed acts which we wouldn't consider morally right. Yet fantasy is meant to be unrealistic, and our heroes in our stories should be held to a higher standard.
But ultimately, our Heroes should not be condemned for actions that are immoral. The legends of our historical Heroes are just as fantastic as our comic heroes, and they taught lessons that are as valuable as they are timeless.
So was Ironwood the Hero of v7 and v8? Well since this is a Pro-Ironwood blog ... But to be fair, let's address the two main incidents of Ironwood's 'villainy'.
Ironwood arresting RWBY seems to be a moment that was caused by RWBY. Not in a negative sense, but more in that RWBY were the ones who took the initiative to break the stalemate. There was no right course of action in that situation, and Ruby should have offered to go and evacuate Mantle's citizens to Atlas if Ironwood delayed the launch by an hour. Like any action hero worth his salt would do.
Ironwood would then have said; 'you have ONE Hour, not a second more. Ruby would then reply with a one-liner and shot off to save the world.
But what about Ironwood shooting down the SDC ships heading to save Mantle refugees, and threatening to nuke Mantle if RWBY did not hand Penny over?
First; Ironwood kept his word when RWBY 'kept' theirs, and RWBY followed up the backstabbing streak with a 2-0 score against Ironwood.
Second; Even if Ironwood nuked Mantle, would he be a villain if he did it to save another island city's worth of civilians? Boudica killed three cities worth of innocent Romans for the Iceni Tribe of Britons, and she is still considered a bally heroine today. Ironwood would also have destroyed Mantle for pretty good reasons, as he would have destroyed the key to opening the Vault and would have thus prevented Salem from taking the Staff.
In any case, we won't really know if Ironwood was playing a particularly brutal bluff. I'd say he was bluffing but I like Ironwood so that's a nut and a half. The more important question is whether such a bluff made Ironwood a villain.
I say, no. If Heroism is defined by Selfless, Ironwood in v8 more than fits the bill. Ironwood unironically puts himself on the line to keep Atlas, and in the process Remnant, safe. He is willing to literally tear himself apart to stop Salem. Ironwood is selfless if nothing else.
But if Ironwood is the hero, what does that make RWBY?
What is a Hero?
A Hero is not someone who adheres to Moral Values.
A Hero is someone who never compromises his code or his principles and would rather forsake his life than forsake his principles.
General James Ironwood is a Hero.
Not an Anti-Hero, because I don't believe that is a thing.
Not a Noble Villain, because Ironwood never compromised or lost the high ground of his principles.
Ironwood is the Hero of V7 and V8, and that is not something Ironwood fans should be ashamed of or be forced to compromise on.
If you think Ironwood is a villain, that's your prerogative.
If you think Ironwood is neither hero nor villain, kudos.
But I will not feel ashamed for calling Ironwood a Hero. No matter how many politicians he shoots.
Hazel Rainart; the Muscle Wizard
Emerald; What ho, Hazel Rainart, might you cast us a spell? Hazel Rainart; Ho ho ho! Of course, Young Emerald!
Hazel Rainart; I!
Hazel Rainart; CAST!
Hazel Rainart; FIST!
It has to be whatever Penny was using as her weapon while she was a robot. Ironwood adopted it to be able to destroy Penny if she didn't surrender, I guess.
Nitpick November Day....????
I can’t remember its been so long but I actually thought of one last one and just in time too but why does James’s gun gun shoot green?
Now its no secret I’ve always hated this dumb thing, but….why does Due Process’s two guns combined make it fire….green? It looks like when he takes them out they shoot normally and normally the silver due process shoots green and the black one shoots purple (likely as it is filled with gravity dust bullets.
(I know these look bad but I am tired and don’t feel like trying to get a better screenshot okay?)
But what is the gungun doing that turns the shots green? Why Green? I don’t understand and it annoys me and I know (well HOPE I should say) CRWBY has some sort of reason for it but I don’t think the show explains this and it annoys exactly me so uhh I am complaining about it here.
Now maybe James changes his black due process’s bullets to a different kind of dust or regular but that still doesn’t explain why green. Even the flames left behind are green.
(I hate this volume and this scene and all it stands for but I am making a point)
Why green? What does it mean? Fire dust is red which would make sense for him to use but green dust is according to the wiki right now plant dust. So dust clearly isn’t affecting the color of the shots, so what is? Why not use fire dust for more destruction? Nothing about this stupid gun makes any sense I hate it so much.
Abusive Dad Defiance (ADD) -
In defiance of the trend of making father figures abusive, this is my slightly nicer headcanon(s) for 'Abusive' Fathers in all media.
Jacques Schnee;
Jacques was an honorable, good man in the past. Willow Schnee loved Jacques despite objections from her wealthy relations. Favoring the less wealthy man for his wit, loyalty, and a sense of duty matched only by Willow's father.
Jacques loved Willow and no matter what happened Jacques cherished the memory of his love for her. This is why Jacques lost his cool when Weiss accused him of marrying for money.
But while Jacques was a good man, he was changed due to the stress of running the Schnee Dust Corp and keeping the company together without the benefit of his Father-in-Law's strength as a Huntsman.
Despite Jacques's business acumen and genius, Jacques had to stoop to shadier means to keep the SDC afloat and Jacques could not stop the needs of the corporation from turning him into the cold man he was in the present day.
It had gotten to the point that while Jacques deeply loved his children, he still had to prioritize the corporation over his family.
While Jacques has no love for the Faunus, he sympathizes with their plight. But he is unable to do more to help because he needed the support of his financial backers who WERE Human Supremacists.
Willow Schnee feels extremely guilty for what she had to put Jacques through. This is why she drinks and lets Jacques do what he does. She feels that the Schnee name had destroyed a good man and thus she has no right to confront Jacques about his mistakes.
Jacques died knowing that he would never have a chance to tell his family the truth.
The coldest 'Yo Mama' joke in history
"Your mother said those same words to me... She was wrong, too."
Does anyone have a shipping meme (chart) up to volume 8, and or is planning, in the process, or has made one for the public? I’m planning to work on some fanart, rewatch the series, and complete a chart with my ships so far. BTW I haven’t watched passed Volume 7 first episode(s?)
To get a feel for digital art pen sensitivity and stuff I traced over a couple of shots from the last two episodes of volume 8 and they look kinda neat.
To get a feel for digital art pen sensitivity and stuff I traced over a couple of shots from the last two episodes of volume 8 and they look kinda neat.
Lil morning reblog because I posted in the middle of the night
To get a feel for digital art pen sensitivity and stuff I traced over a couple of shots from the last two episodes of volume 8 and they look kinda neat.
RWBY vol 8. ch8: The Dark
🔇Volume warning
I’ve made 4 seconds of a shitpost and I think I’m done with animating the rest of it bc I no no wanna
watts what do you MEAN you sent off Penny to SELF DESTRUCT
my addition to the RWBY Snapchat crack thread on Twitter:
he’s doing finnnneee
Alternative title: Mercury Black enjoying his best villainous life not knowing shit already hit the fan. png
I spent too much time on this supposedly quick comic for the last RWBY episode, but I regret nothing. Nothing.