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Are RWBY the baddies?
If heroism is where a character acts to defend higher ideals villainy, perhaps, is when a character acts without thought for anything beyond the acting. Where a character antagonizes other for its own sake, and is careless to the effect their actions have on others.
If such is the case then RWBY's actions in v7 and v8 are the acts of villains.
Beyond the betrayal of Ironwood's trust, the sabotage of Ironwood's plans, and the loss of the staff of creation to Salem, what makes RWBY the villains here is that their actions did not benefit the people they claimed they were helping. Which led to the death of the better part of 2 Kingdoms, and the deaths of those stuck in Vacuo until the Huntsmen there show up to rescue the survivors.
RWBY forced a fight with Ironwood on the wrong issues, and caused the deaths of innocents. Characters have been decried as evil for less.
Everyone is focused on Ironwood x Qrow.
But has anyone thought about Ironwood x Watts?
I gave you everything you could have wanted!
You chose that fat, imbecile over me!
**Sad love song plays
It was a massive teenage temper tantrum this whole time.
In any case, most of the problems were caused by RWBY in the first place. Or RWBY had some contribution to the problem.
Ya know with glynda coming to Atlas and everyone calling Vol9 Not Madagascar i can't help but to think that she'd come at Ironwood and Rwby calm/concerned...then starts rushing at them in anger because the of the stuff being done. Ironwood being smart to run first
He would see the look in her eyes and know it was time to get the hell out of dodge. RWBY is confused and starts to call him a coward until Glynda rips them an absolute new one for the shit they've pulled.
dappercat has issues. They make assumptions based on headcanon and denigrate RWDEs when they do the same.
In any case, RWBY lying to Ironwood about the relic and revealing the existence of the new CCT to Robyn were factors to the fall of Atlas. RWBY resisting arrest also exacerbated a situation that was civil, if unjust to RWBY, admittedly.
Ya know with glynda coming to Atlas and everyone calling Vol9 Not Madagascar i can't help but to think that she'd come at Ironwood and Rwby calm/concerned...then starts rushing at them in anger because the of the stuff being done. Ironwood being smart to run first
He would see the look in her eyes and know it was time to get the hell out of dodge. RWBY is confused and starts to call him a coward until Glynda rips them an absolute new one for the shit they've pulled.
The only thing I'd say is wrong is RWBY being called spoiled brats. The problem there is that RT is trying to write around an ideology or a criticism of some theme such as authority over the youth, and in the process failed to see when the narrative would horribly clash with the themes they are trying to put across.
Give this video a watch if you can! Great video made by Judgemental Critter, really does a deep dive into how Team RWBY fail as heroes and come off villainous.
Entitled, spoiled, antagonistic "heroes."
We literally see the bomb go off, we see Harriet doing her damndest to drop said bomb, we see the ace ops discuss if it’s a bluff and agree it fuming wasn’t,
If you think it’s a bluff you’d need to disregard literally everything the show tells us or shows us,
If you think its not a bluff you'd need to disregard that Ironwood did not order the detonation of the bomb the moment he got Penny in his hands.
You'd also have to disregard the fact that Harriet was about to not detonate the nuke thanks to Vine's advice, and Qrow and Robyn were responsible for escalating the tensions into a brawl that set off the bomb.
In any case, you should not be going off on me, or RWDE in general, for something that is entirely RT's fault.
The writers managed to cement Adam Taurus's villainy back in V5 when they SHOWED him detonating the Haven Academy bombs, but was only stopped by Ilia disarming those bombs.
RT dropped the ball (or bomb) on Ironwood because they had Trump Derangement Syndrome and were so eager to write a story about Political Power gone crazy they forgot to do for Ironwood what they did to Adam.
As it is, RT was so eager to have RWBY 'stop' Ironwood they forgot to actually write Ironwood as a definitive villain.
At this point, based on the writing, Ironwood can be interpreted as either a Hero or a Villain. I, and most of RWDE, choose Hero. Now you have to choose if you are willing to agree to disagree on this point.
That's a fair point, but you could also see it as Ironwood's semblance driving him to be as hardhearted as possible to SELL the Bluff.
Was he about to shoot Marrow? Maybe. But comparing Ironwood's off-handed shooting of the Politician, and the delay of Ironwood shooting Marrow, I wonder if Ironwood was going to kill Marrow. Or was Ironwood going to make a big show about it, then order Marrow to be arrested instead.
We won't know because Winter intervened before anything could happen. But if Ironwood had shot first and missed Marrow, before Winter arrested Marrow though, who knows?
Even if Ironwood did kill Marrow, he did it to save Atlas from Salem.
Jaune onscreen killed Penny to stop Cinder taking the Maiden Power.
We literally see the bomb go off, we see Harriet doing her damndest to drop said bomb, we see the ace ops discuss if it’s a bluff and agree it fuming wasn’t,
If you think it’s a bluff you’d need to disregard literally everything the show tells us or shows us,
If you think its not a bluff you'd need to disregard that Ironwood did not order the detonation of the bomb the moment he got Penny in his hands.
You'd also have to disregard the fact that Harriet was about to not detonate the nuke thanks to Vine's advice, and Qrow and Robyn were responsible for escalating the tensions into a brawl that set off the bomb.
In any case, you should not be going off on me, or RWDE in general, for something that is entirely RT's fault.
The writers managed to cement Adam Taurus's villainy back in V5 when they SHOWED him detonating the Haven Academy bombs, but was only stopped by Ilia disarming those bombs.
RT dropped the ball (or bomb) on Ironwood because they had Trump Derangement Syndrome and were so eager to write a story about Political Power gone crazy they forgot to do for Ironwood what they did to Adam.
As it is, RT was so eager to have RWBY 'stop' Ironwood they forgot to actually write Ironwood as a definitive villain.
At this point, based on the writing, Ironwood can be interpreted as either a Hero or a Villain. I, and most of RWDE, choose Hero. Now you have to choose if you are willing to agree to disagree on this point.
The thing isn't just that we think Ironwood could be written better or the story could be done in a different way.
The thing is that some of us like Ironwood unironically, and we are not allowed to do so.
In my case, I consider Ironwood a Hero compared to RWBY as the villains. This is not just a headcanon, but logical inference from the plot and plot context. Read my posts and you would see. However, RWBY fans don't like that and jump on that wagon like bears in heat.
Mine is an extreme case, but other Ironwood fans are also attacked because they like Ironwood.
Ultimately, we are not allowed to interpret Ironwood the way we want to and these attacks against unironic Ironwood fans is getting a little over the top.
That's what we have issue with.
What hurts the most about Ironwood in the end is that Miles and Kerry did this to the character they created.
I hate to bring him into this, but Monty stated that Ironwood was mostly Miles and Kerry's creation.
So Miles and Kerry took the character they created and did that to him.
Out of the entire cast that could have been an author's pet, you'd think it'd be the character created by the two writers who was there from the start.
Honestly….I didn’t know this before but knowing it now….it makes the whole damn hurt even more. Just….how could you do something so fucking awful to a character you created and seemingly liked at one point? I mean I can’t imagine how you could write that kind of story for any character really but….one that you created? It makes even less sense.
Like these guys made this character, and with the kind of people they are….why didn’t they do more projecting onto him? Why didn’t they want and push for a better ending for him? I just cannot comprehend what their thought process is on anything anymore.
Every time I think I’m as sad as I could physically get about James something like this pops up to make me sadder. What possibly could a fictional character you created do to make you hate them so much to do what they did to him?
What RWBY really needs
An Asian Character.
When Team RWBY tries to destroy Atlas:
When Cinder keeps repeating the same mistakes:
When Penny tells Jaune to kill her:
When RT tries to push Bumbleby with some cutesy, funny moment between the most hated lesbian couple.
Anymore reasons why RWBY needs an Asian Character?
Tired man only dates absolute trolls
Must suck to know that your fav died for absolutely nothing, huh?
This ask has been sitting in my inbox for a decent while, and I've been struggling to decide whether or not I wanted to answer it. I know it's meant to be another rude dig. Perhaps I should've just deleted it and moved on, but you know what?
Yes, nonny. It does suck. It does, absolutely, unequivocally, suck.
It sucks to be invested in a character, to see them in a light that's different from the majority but that you feel is a valid interpretation based on what and how you see the material presented, and have that be the source of ridicule, constant shaming and similar verbal abuse, and even death threats.
It sucks to be beaten over the head with constant reminders that you are a horrible person for daring to disagree with the handling of a fictional character, for the "audacity" to argue that the writing was mediocre-to-poor, and moreover for continuing to enjoy and produce content for that character, as though it's indicative of some arbitrary moral line you've passed without knowledge or hope of returning from; a stain on your worth as a person, and a sign that it's fine to treat you as less than one in sweeping claims and generalizations. All over nothing more than ink on paper, pictures on a screen.
It sucks that people like you, nonny, truly believe that it is okay to send goading remarks like this to someone you don't know beyond an online presence, simply for the pleasure of knowing it upset them; that you poked a nerve, pulled at something they're passionate about. I think most folks must be looking for some sort of "gotcha" moment, where we accidentally reveal - oh, yes, anonymous Tumblr user, you have caught me, I am a horrible person! I would have gotten away with it if it weren't for you darn kids!
But, allow me to humor you insofar as your actual question. Because, yes - it does. It sucks to watch a character's journey, in a show permeated with the themes of hope and strength in unity, end in a manner that spits in the face of those themes. It sucks to have a show slap your wrist and disapprovingly say "this is for everyone else, even two of the show's previously established villains, but not them", and then be told that you were an idiot for even believing it, wanting it, because "it was never going to end any other way, you just weren't paying attention".
The way James dies is horrible. He, as written, dies alone and afraid, knowing that everything he did and tried to do, regardless of intention, was a wasted effort. The writing, in the end, treats this as nothing, and while there is tragedy present in his story, the execution made it impossible for most to sympathize, as evidenced by the majority vocal sentiment by fans and the writers at the end of Volume 8.
It does suck that James died for absolutely nothing, and died so violently, while the writing made play that it was an inevitability. It sucks that, while I cannot yet argue in good faith that it was for nothing, Penny died at the outset of a brand new horizon of possibilities for her character, and died so violently, while the writing twisted to make play that it was necessary. It sucks that Pyrrha died for nothing more than unlocking our main protagonist's underdeveloped Deus Ex Machina, and died so violently, while the writing later made play that it was a noble, expected sacrifice.
Character death, by its nature, sucks, because your audience will always care to some degree. Character death under the pretense of poor writing, as it is in James and Penny's cases, sucks even more, because you watch that care be punished, and punished cruelly.
So, thank you for asking, nonny. Perhaps you wouldn't mind this question in return when we next lose a protagonist.
I wonder if anyone in this god forsaken fandom ever actually sat and put themselves in ironwood's shoes
You can't feel the entire right half of your body
You can't rely on the little bristles of sensation on your toes in the dark, feeling where carpet ends or where stairs begin
You can't reach for a glass and effortlessly, instinctually know when you've touched it. Know how to grasp it, how much force to keep it from dropping --- or shattering in your hand
You lay down in bed, and you lay wong--- and it hurts, and the putrid sloughing flesh of your unhealing scars sobs orange serous fluid from beneath your metal seams, and another set of your sheets is ruined
For all the people screaming ~omg trans rights are human rights!~ nobody seems to mind throwing a dick joke in ironwood's face
Do some basic logic
He's mutilated
(And he's still beautiful, desirable, and wholly deserving of love)
Step 1: build a new global communications thingamajig out of Amity Arena.
Step 2: Tell the people of Atlas about Salem.
Step 3: Use the military to help Atlas come to grips with the fight against Salem.
Step 4: Tell Remnant about Salem.
Step 5: Atlas mobilizes the army to deal with the global panic.
https://rwby.fandom.com/wiki/A_New_Approach
From the episode transcript as linked above.
Step Ruby: Derail everything then co-opt Ironwood's plan when it all goes to shit, and conveniently paint Ironwood as the bad guy.
To the Ironwood fans who said that he had a plan and Team RWBY didn't at the end of Volume 7-
What, exactly, WAS his plan? Not what you interpret as his plan, what was his plan as stated/shown in the show itself?
And on top of that, for the Ironwood fans who said that Team RWBY suffered no consequences-
What is your definition and example of consequences in stories.
Saint Ironwood the Determined.
I frequently wonder if RT realizes that framing Ironwood with those rays behind his head is a textbook classical art technique for depicting sainthood
Weiss Schnee is pregnant.
"Father!" Weiss said as she placed her tea cup on the table, and in her agitated state spilled a drop of the Earl onto the white tablecloth.
"Father," Weiss said again as she pushed her chair back, "I cannot, in good conscience, marry Master Marigold." Jacques Schnee placed his tea onto the table and spilled two drops across the table like blood on laced snow before he could muster the strength to say.
"And why ever can you not marry Master Marigold?!"
"Because I am carrying his child, Father!"
Beside Jacques Weiss's sister, Winter Schnee, allowed a silent ruby tear to escape her iron self-control down her porcelain cheek as Weiss demurely sat on General Ironwood's broad lap.
"General!" Jacques said, "what have you to say for yourself?!"
General Ironwood quietly wrapped his hand around Weiss's and said.
"Jacques, I will cherish your daughter as if I have known her for all of five minutes."
