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Spamton Neo battle! :0

I drew Kris with a ponytail :)

KRIS, YOU [Little Sponge]!!! YOU LOOK LIKE A REAL [[BIG SHOT]]

I drew this in paper and then I added the color in digital, I wanted to try smth new :D

Random kris doodle I did in school

I wanted to try new styles, so I designed stickers! Sorry for the awful quality, idk why they are so pixelated X(

For the Susie one I got inspired by @cndarts

The duality of Kris

Based on the web comic, "Reconnecting", by @purplebehittindifferent

I was rewatching But I’m a Cheerleader . Love the set design of that movie so much. Also rupaul in a straight is great t shirt

Part 2 of deltarune pride icons!

Non binary and aroace kris

And pansexual ralsei!

Thing I drew a bit ago + speed paint 👇

ya i can draw different characters . Barely

Oh my god

My contribution to the meme that has been going around.

Random Deltarune Thoughts Part #3

The reason that Spamton terrified Kris so much, more than anything they’ve faced before, even Jevil, is because he was trying to take their soul. As far as I can remember, he is the only boss who has fought them with that goal. Consciously or not, they know they don’t like having their soul ripped out. 

okay so like. in chapter 1, kris seems to know exactly how to rip their soul out and had a birdcage ready, despite this being the first time we’ve ever controlled them. and i assumed maybe they’re just clever and figured it out throughout the course of the day, or maybe they’d somehow been forewarned of us coming

but in chapter 2, toriel tells susie it’s common for kris to just disappear into the bathroom alone with the water running, implying they’ve done that whole routine before

it seems like someone was controlling kris before we ever came into the picture. who was it? when was it? what did it make them DO??? (did they make kris do anything bad? was this person responsible for dess’s disappearance?)

do they know we’re not the same person that was previously controlling them?

So what the hell even IS the relation between Monsters and Humans in the world of Deltarune?

Undertale made the basics very clear to the Player straight from the opening of the game: Monsters and Humans used to live together as equals, after the war the monsters got sealed in the Underground, with humans ruling over the surface. The more specific details of Monster-Humans relations got revealed as the game went on, since both Frisk and the Player were introduced to Monster Culture. 

(That’s why I always assumed the narration is like… the standard Human narrative about the War of Humans and Monsters, what Frisk knew before venturing to the Underground. That’s why the opening narration implies it was a long and seemingly equally-matched battle, rather than horribly one-sided as described by the ancient writings in Waterfall)

But in Deltarune this is one of the things the game plays on to separate us from Kris. Kris has lived in this world all their damn life, and as the Only Human in Town, they’re probably more aware of Monster-Human Relations than most - but we’re still newcomers. And the game is intentionally obscuring and confusing the details of the dynamics from us for now.

(Kris themself might be doing it, since this is what happens when you check the bookshelf that had “The History of Humans and Monsters” innit during Chapter 2)

(which honestly kinda reminds me of…)

But what HAVE we managed to learn so far?

There’s some stuff that seems to indicate Humans living side-by-side with Monsters just like pre-war and post-Pacifist Ending in the Undertale Timeline. A lot of it is early on in Chapter 1 and I think it was kinda meant to confuse us into initially thinking that Deltarune is a direct continuation of Undertale’s Pacifist Ending.

For example, gingerbread monsters and gingerbread humans…

Compared to Toriel’s house in the Underground in Undertale, which only had gingerbread monsters

A book about “the History of Humans and Monsters”

Versus Undertale where we kept finding books about “Monster History”

Although yeah, some of those references are just part of the Deltarune Chapter 1 Misdirection, they are still real things in this world. And a few still exist way past the point of trying to make us think is this happening after the Pacifist Ending. Like Susie’s comment in the end of Chapter 2.

I MEAN…. Giant Human Movies technically exist in our world where Monsters don’t exist at all. But they’re not considered as like… a separate equivalent to Giant Monster Movies, they’re just considered ‘giant monster movies’? And there’s not so many of them? This kinda implies that Humans and Monsters are seen as equal to the point that they’re about an equal amount of movies done about them being Giant and rampaging through town.

Buuuut on the other hand, it’s hard to ignore the fact that Kris is the Only Human in Town. We have seen no other Human anywhere. There this little Rabbit kid who keeps asking them invasive questions that imply a lack of familiarity with Human biology. 

And mentions of Kris trying to fool other people with that presumed lack of familiarity

And the books in the town’s library seems to be written exclusively to a Monster Audience

So it’s not surprising that some people assume that the Deltarune timeline might the ‘reverse’ of where Undertale started. Monsters are living on the surface and the Humans…. might be trapped underground? (maybe in a certain bunker?) Or they just died out? That Kris isn’t just the Only Human in Town, but one of the few Humans around, period?

After all, a lot of the stuff that might initially suggest Monster and Human co-habitation is found in the Dreemurr’s house. Maybe Toriel bought human-shaped gingerbread cutters and books about Human history to try and help Kris feel less like an outsider in their own home?

(The other possibility is that there’s both an about-equal amount of Humans and Monsters but they tend to live in separate communities. Like, Hometown is a town in the middle of MonsterCountry and most of the humans live in HumanCountry)

But there’s OTHER stuff in the game that doesn’t seem to match with these idea, too! The thing I keep thinking about is the Dreemurr household’s shampoos.

A small container of shampoo for the hair of the one Human in the household. A gallon-sized container for the fur of the one (two? how long has it been since Asriel left for college?) large fuzzy goat in the household. 

But… in a world where there’s an equal amount of Monsters and Humans, why would a shampoo for fur be labeled as ‘PET shampoo’?? Plenty of Monsters, who are fully-sapient people, have fur instead of hair or fur AND hair. Why would Kris’ shampoo be considered ‘default’ while Toriel needs to use a shampoo designed for PETS?

At first I thought it was just a minor plot inconsistency but now I can’t stop wondering about that. 

Is it actually a thing where… Kris is the Only Human in TOWN, but Hometown is the Only Town of Monsters? Like, outside of Hometown Monsters are still very much in the minority compared to Humans? So while their library can stock up with Monster-Centric books, mass-produced products like shampoo are still very human-centric? 

I’ve heard some people speculate that Susie is New in Hometown, maybe she came from a Human-majority town where she was treated by an outsider for being a Monster - only to move to Hometown and find out that she’s STILL an outsider. Making her both the inverse and exactly the same as Kris - who lived all their life in the Monster Town of Hometown and doesn’t seem to relate much to other Humans. If they moved into a Human-centric town, they’d be just as much as an outsider as they are in Hometown, if not more. 

That might explain why she seems weirded specifically by the concept of gingerbread monsters (even though in Hometown, it seems like the gingerbread humans would be the Weird thing)

And might also explain this line from Susie in Chapter 1 

Which seems weird because if Monsters even remotely follow Undertale Rules, they do NOT bleed. I mean, the burying practices of Hometown seems to confirm Monsters still turn to dust when they die - and all the references to Kris’ blood that I brought up earlier sure seem to imply that only Humans have blood and therefore only humans bleed?

But if we assume Susie grew up in a Human-majority community… it’s possible that this is where she picked up that phrase????

I’m not sure which of these options I really believe (or would like to see happen). They all seem to have their evidence, but they all seem to have something that makes them Not Quite Work. And I’m never sure if I’m looking too closely into a silly oversight or really up to something.

What IS for sure is that the game doesn’t want me to be sure about this, at least not quite yet. There’s SOME misdirection going on and I wonder where it leads.

I’m thinking about the idea that Kris was preventing us from reading that “History of Humans and Monsters” book. Is it because they figured out we’re Not From Around Here, and the less we know, the more they can trip us up and possibly reveal us? Or is there just something in that book Kris doesn’t like reading about?

everyone goes about their day with multiple impulses in their head of what they could do in any given situation; many of them things we would never do, that don’t actually reflect anything about our identity or desires. y’know, like how most everyone who’s ever held a very small animal has had a thought pop in their head about what would happen if they chucked it at full speed, and then didn’t do that.

my interpretation of how kris experiences being inhabited is that all of the options we’re given are impulses of theirs — not things they always want to do, just thoughts that enter their head — and we get to decide which of those impulses they act on. that’s why although they narrate with the word “you” to describe actions they ascribe to the player, they also use the word “you” in many cases that seem to be referring only to themself. for example, when you command noelle to Act on her first encounter with virovirokun and she gets confused, the narration says “you and virovirokun explained combat to noelle” without any input from the player telling kris to explain it to her.

kris knows that their heart is making decisions for them, but they don’t always perceive a difference between their decisions and the ones their heart makes because some of those decisions are things they would’ve done anyway.

Human stuff

kris grew up in a town where half of the occupants are covered in fur, and the other covered in scales right? They also seem to have been raised their whole life by monsters.

they probably don’t know they can make farts with their armpit and hands which is a tragedy because i bet they would love to know they have that kinda power.

heck a good portion of the town does not have hands like kris they probably doesn’t know how to whistle, but not just because they have trouble with it just genuinely don’t have the reference for it 

when their teeth started falling out they probably freaked out by it, if they had the reference to find it something worth freaking out about.

God help kris if that one book toreil used as reference didn’t mention anything about babies teething  as their teeth grew in, absolute nightmare scenario for everyone involved.

is the doctor in town licensed to practice medicine on humans? is kris in danger if they have any health issues one day?

did they get properly tossed around as a kid? I know this sounds strange but the reason your parents would like toss you up in the air and catch you or swing you between them or toss you at soft furniture or bounced you as a baby? yeah turns out its important for a kids development to gentle rattle them so their brain can learn how to deal with being put off balance better. 

We know kris got the biggest swinging bear hugs asgore could givem as a kiddo but how much about this is in a human raising book? what if she dismissed it as some type of cruel child rearing practice humans use when its perfectly fine? like how id be horrified out of context at the idea of monsters sending magic bullet  birthday cards because that sounds dangerous to me.

is a human actually able to survive on monster food and how much does a human actually need to eat because im sorry one sugary pie slice at night even if monster food didnt just disappear in your mouth and actually went down your throat isnt, healthy for a  teenager, or child, or adult.

(stealing and devouring an entire pie after not getting to eat any before bed, this being a fairly common occurrence from toreil joking about having to lock the oven again, and the fact kris sleeps through the beginning of class consistently does not help me think they are not suffering from unintentional malnourishment, even taking into account their recent escapades. Kris stomach growling loud enough for others to hear it when ralsei offers to bake them a cake later does not help disprove my hypothesis either)

I just, theres things that humans dont think to write down in parenting books for humans, and can give wildly different information depending on the source, biology ad phycology books can suffer the same issue, and history has revealed that if something is common knowledge at the time, like how to use a toilet, its not going to be written down often if at all. 

imagine if the book is written by a monster though, the lack of context that bring

There is a reason orphanages and hospitals have jobs of people to rock babies or read storys or play with or teach or mae sure their hugged. One of my personal fondest memories is being curled up snuggling with my mom in a recliner when i was very little, falling asleep to the sound of her pace maker, of her heartbeat.

was kris ever read to sleep as a child? sang to sleep? Im sure some experiences they got, singing off key in choir of other kids, dancing freely without fear to their favorite songs, clumsy and funny as kids do with their parents laughing and awkwardly dancing along. running through mud puddles and throwing them at friends and siblings, being taught not to do that. finding cool rocks  or snailshells or pieces of garbage that were shiny and wanting to keep them. 

But then we see kris’s room and it.

 everything there- or everything it doesn’t have- makes me worry for them. 

I mean yes currently kris’s biggest problem is us the player and whatever’s driven them to make dark portals, along with worrying about that knight if they arent the knight themselves. 

Maybe they made sure you couldnt ruin their stuff before you got there, honestly if we found out thats the case or were given a hint by someone talking about it that would make me feel better.

Idk, it just feels like there are many references tori has available to her on raising humans and its having an effect. 

deltarune theory that heartless!Kris is also not real Kris, but instead Kris being controlled by something else other than the player