Okay I Just Watched Ephermal In The French Dub And I Will Not Give Anything Major Away But

okay i just watched ephermal in the french dub and i will not give anything major away but…

i think it speaks volumes how chat wasn’t available for one pretty standard, run-of-the-mill villain fight at the beginning of the episode, and ladybug still felt the need to bring out every single one of the current miraculous holders just to make up for his absence. she relies on him so much that she called him 14 times throughout the fight and pulled out all the stops just to feel comfortable enough facing a villain without him. if that’s not reflective of how much she trusts chat noir i don’t know what is.

the way Adrien stuttered like “You want to reveal our identities right n-n-now?” and then his small hopeful smile after the transformation dropped and then the way he had no hard feelings whatsoever towards Ladybug for not wanting to reveal her own identity right away because he knows it’s terrifying and then the way he said “my heart is beating so fast″ and “I hope you’re not too disappointed”

Like compare his actual reaction to the reveal vs the time he said “if you saw me without my mask, you wouldn’t be able to resist me” I’m crying he’s so sweet he just wants Ladybug to like him

but gabe doesn't deserve redemption. He's an abuser

(sorry for the late reply, uni's been kicking my ass atm)

Redemption =/= Atonement

Redemption refers to someone correcting their actions to change people's negative perceptions of them into positive ones.

Atonement refers to an act of reparation for offensive or harmful behaviour.

One can redeem themselves through atonement, but atonement in itself doesn't guarantee or warrant redemption.

Really, I took it as Gabriel actually caring about Adrien and saving a family picture he made when he was young in his safe.

Hey hey hey hey

Remember that time Gabriel broke baby Adrien's drawing of his family in the Collector back in Season 2?

It looks like the miraculous ladybugs never fixed that back then and that Adrien's family really is broken and unfixable 🙂🙂🙂

OOOHH

I like the way your guys' interpretations and I kind of agree with you guys!

I still think that it was mostly because he had a slight confidence/happiness boost as well as Marinette's newfound knowledge that he is Chat Noir and can't stop seeing as Chat Noir and vice versa (we know how the episode beautifully went).

But I mean also remember Adrien in Season 1, when he new to school? He didn't exactly act like he did when he was in Ephemeral, but he did have a few moments here and there of what people would assign that to be "Chat Noir".

Some are freaking out because Adrien acts like Chat in their school.

But I'm wondering, it must be how Adrien acts all the time but because most episodes are focused on Marinette's POV, we can only see what she does. In Ephemeral, she is paying extra close attention to him thus, we see him joking in the class.

Idk. I kept thinking about it.

I've seen people hating on Marinette and/or the writing of Ephemeral for "doubting her feelings for Adrien" or like being "grossed out" by him after finding out he was Chat Noir but that's not what it was at all? At least not how I read it. I mean I fully expected and was in fact Looking Forward to the inevitable freakout and prpr Coping Period for Marinette while she had to rethink her entire world. If you didn't think that would happen on her end then idk if you've been paying attention to the show but anyways

Marinette wasn't doubting her feelings for Adrien but rather doubting their Validity, i.e. she was basically going through the True Selves(tm) discourse bullshit in her head - "Was I in love with a fake Adrien? Is Chat Noir the real Adrien and the Adrien I fell for just an act? Or is it the other way around? How could these two people I thought were completely different be the same?" It was only natural that she'd freak out because of how Adrien had compartmentalized different aspects of his personality in to different "masks" and how he always acted overconfident and over the top around Ladybug as Chat Noir. And then as she watched him more closely with this new knowledge, she started seeing how the two sides overlapped and fit together as one wonderful boy and realized they're Both parts of real Adrien, and that the boy she loved was also her partner who had been fighting alongside her all this time, and she loved him all the more for it.

Conversely in the Chat Blanc timeline she'd already been dating Adrien for some time before the reveal so she'd undoubtedly already seen him act like a clown around her, and on the flip side, seen Chat Noir act more Adrien-like around Ladybug since he secretly knew she was his gf, so it would've been easier to put the two of them together in her mind (and a lot of the shock would've been overridden by the intense emotions of the "breakup" that'd just happened). In the canon timeline, Adrien only resolved to act more like himself as Chat Noir in Glaciator 2.0, which was only 7 eps before Ephemeral. On top of that, as you know, those 7 eps had a lot of other important stuff going on in the foreground, leaving little time for Ladynoir to just hang out together and talk one-on-one like they have before. He hasn't had enough time/opportunity to really show who he is to Ladybug, and therefore at the present time Ladybug still has the idea of him being this overconfident flirt/clown - and that's really not her fault.