Is Ruby Rose (RWBY) A Mary Sue?

Is Ruby Rose (RWBY) a Mary Sue?

Definition of Mary Sue;

In an earlier post, I described the 'Mary Sue' as a narrative trope instead of a character archetype. A 'Mary Sue' occurs when a character's story overshadows the stories of the other characters.

Example;

Harry Potter in the last four books is a Mary Sue mostly because everything after book four is somehow tied to Harry, no matter how obscure or far removed. As a result, the story shrinks around Harry and the world of Magic becomes less interesting the more it focuses on Harry and his conflict with Voldemort.

Is Ruby is Mary Sue?

Based on my definition, no. She is just a badly written character. While all Mary Sues are badly written, not all badly written characters are Mary Sues.

Ozpin is more of the Mary Sue in RWBY. This is because most of RWBY's plot centers around Ozpin's mistakes and his relationships. Especially with Salem.

Therefore, Ruby Rose is not a Mary Sue.

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The only thing I'd say is wrong is RWBY being called spoiled brats. The problem there is that RT is trying to write around an ideology or a criticism of some theme such as authority over the youth, and in the process failed to see when the narrative would horribly clash with the themes they are trying to put across.

Give this video a watch if you can! Great video made by Judgemental Critter, really does a deep dive into how Team RWBY fail as heroes and come off villainous.

Entitled, spoiled, antagonistic "heroes."

It seems that Airbenders focus on moving, and moving with the Air, so the probably can't manipulate specific gases.

Firebenders, though, seem to possess alchemical talents. They are able to forge metal into machines, and producing fire is a matter of chemical manipulation. It is likely that Firebenders are more likely capable of manipulating gases instead of Airbenders.

im back at it again with another atla/tlok science question !! so when it comes to all the elements; benders can manipulate forms/versions of that element that already exists around them BUT when it comes to fire and air; the benders not only manipulate that element but also "produce" the element from their palms/hands (unless you vount earthbending when they "produce" lava but I just think that's manipulating the magma beneath the Earth's crust MOVING ON)

would that mean that airbenders can manipulate any type of gas? is there a pressure or composition requirement for an airbender to manipulate a particular gas?

That's a fair point, but you could also see it as Ironwood's semblance driving him to be as hardhearted as possible to SELL the Bluff.

Was he about to shoot Marrow? Maybe. But comparing Ironwood's off-handed shooting of the Politician, and the delay of Ironwood shooting Marrow, I wonder if Ironwood was going to kill Marrow. Or was Ironwood going to make a big show about it, then order Marrow to be arrested instead.

We won't know because Winter intervened before anything could happen. But if Ironwood had shot first and missed Marrow, before Winter arrested Marrow though, who knows?

Even if Ironwood did kill Marrow, he did it to save Atlas from Salem.

Jaune onscreen killed Penny to stop Cinder taking the Maiden Power.

We literally see the bomb go off, we see Harriet doing her damndest to drop said bomb, we see the ace ops discuss if it’s a bluff and agree it fuming wasn’t,

If you think it’s a bluff you’d need to disregard literally everything the show tells us or shows us,

If you think its not a bluff you'd need to disregard that Ironwood did not order the detonation of the bomb the moment he got Penny in his hands.

You'd also have to disregard the fact that Harriet was about to not detonate the nuke thanks to Vine's advice, and Qrow and Robyn were responsible for escalating the tensions into a brawl that set off the bomb.

In any case, you should not be going off on me, or RWDE in general, for something that is entirely RT's fault.

The writers managed to cement Adam Taurus's villainy back in V5 when they SHOWED him detonating the Haven Academy bombs, but was only stopped by Ilia disarming those bombs.

RT dropped the ball (or bomb) on Ironwood because they had Trump Derangement Syndrome and were so eager to write a story about Political Power gone crazy they forgot to do for Ironwood what they did to Adam.

As it is, RT was so eager to have RWBY 'stop' Ironwood they forgot to actually write Ironwood as a definitive villain.

At this point, based on the writing, Ironwood can be interpreted as either a Hero or a Villain. I, and most of RWDE, choose Hero. Now you have to choose if you are willing to agree to disagree on this point.