Torashisama - Torashī | Siuan's Lawyer

You just got things mixed up.

Liandrin did not tell him she was in a cell.

She only ordered him to kill Moiraine.

He planned for Mo to be held captive until he went to kill her. Only his mom heard and backstabbed him (obvi).

They had already established that their servants were loyal to her, not Mo, who had a claim to the throne but Anvaere and only her. So she probably made the servant he asked to help him, to trap him instead, which is why he ends up emprisoned.

Mo had left the house already when Liandrin came so he prob was like "OK I wish I didn't have to but if that's what you want me to do, I'll happily do it, I'll send some people looking for her and do my thing while they look."

Question: when Liandrin tells Barthanes that Moiraine is being held in a cell in the tower, is she trying to trick him in some way or does she actually think that? Because it didn’t seem to me like anyone was holding Moiraine? She was just with Rand? And presumably if they wanted to hold her, especially since she’s “stilled,” they would put her in her own cell and not where she and the dragon could conspire? I had just assumed Siuan put Rand down there and let Moiraine go too. But then again, Leane says to Verin, “don’t let her get close to you,” so maybe she IS being held? But again, even if no one but Siuan knows she’s “stilled” (hence Leanne’s concern), why would they have her in the cell with Rand if they thought she might help him?

I’m curious because if Moiraine isn’t being held in a cell, it makes me very curious what Liandrin was doing telling that to Barthanes. Did she purposefully mislead him or was she herself misled?

Please no book spoilers I’m not even done with the first one.

Siuan says, “Can you imagine, Moiraine, if one of the Forsaken got their hands on him?” Are we supposed to believe that Moiraine and Siuan have written six months of letters and Moiraine never mentioned Lanfear?

YES. It's a time line thing really. Moiraine learned about Lanfear the night she got attacked by the Fades rescued by Lan then both rescued by Verin and Tomas. During the 6 months she only knew that "the last battle of s1" was actually the first one hence the reasearch about the forsaken, it was only confirmed with Bayle Domon trough the poem and broken cuendillar. She hadn't realise that Ishy had been freed until she was able to figure out that broken cuendillar meant broken seal and therefore free Forsaken.

Then, when she realised that she HAD to tell Siuan about her being stilled she still couldn't get herself to admit it so she wasn't informed. Then, she only took the time to write something when she had Rand and they were back at the house and she was still stuck on making her stilling something tangible so she never sent the letter and Siuan only learned about it thanks to Lan.

If Moiraine didn’t write about being stilled and didn’t mention Lanfear, what in the world was she writing to Siuan about?

And they might have been writing to each other the sweetest, cutest, most romantic letter ever and obviously sharing info on what they gathered to try and solve the mistery of the broken cuendillar at the eye and what it would mean for their mission.

Her not talking about being stilled implies that Siuan also didn’t know about Rand leaving since it basically tells us that she omitted the details and probably wrote something along the lines of it "dearest Siuan, we were wrong it was not the dark one but Ishameal, we defeated him but something is fishy, found a broken cuendillar so I think it might have been our first battle and not the last, need help solving this puzzle because I have no idea of what it could mean"

( I'm re-explaining and refining my theory about S2E07 as of now, so I'm going over and fact-checking and coherence-checking everything right now, so ask away if you have more questions.)

I promise I’ll stop talking about this soon because I’m a few weeks behind the Discourse having just done this rewatch, but the main reason I personally think something was up with Siuan and Rand in the throne room in 02x07 is Siuan’s comment to him about using him as a weapon but not having him be the general. She didn’t get to be the Amyrlin without knowing that’s a dumb thing to say to *anyone,* especially anyone you want to work with you, let alone the dragon reborn who is the most powerful person in the world.

Two other things:

- Siuan says, “Can you imagine, Moiraine, if one of the Forsaken got their hands on him?” Are we supposed to believe that Moiraine and Siuan have written six months of letters and Moiraine never mentioned Lanfear? If Moiraine didn’t write about being stilled and didn’t mention Lanfear, what in the world was she writing to Siuan about? Unless she was trying to cut Siuan out entirely, which we have no reason to think she would. I guess maaybe it hasn’t been enough time to send a letter about Lanfear to Siuan.

- Why would Siuan want to announce Rand as dragon in Cairhien? Not only would that abruptly abandon the prophesy they’ve worked towards for decades and sacrificed everything for, wouldn’t it also bring all the forces of the dark to them immediately with only 14 Aes Sedai? Wouldn’t it be better to keep him a secret if they actually wanted to use him in the way she discusses? Or to declare him in Tar Valon where they can draw on all the resources of the White Tower?

I’m still not sure I think the heartbreaking ending of that episode was part of a scheme between Moiraine and Siuane—the “if you have ever loved me, don’t do this” feels too raw to me to be fake—but I *do* think something very weird was up with them in front of Rand.

Go vote for Siuan. We can't lose.

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Why why whyyyyy?!!!! I stayed far away from any spoilers or media about 2x07. Wanted to give myself time to savour it without work distractions. I thought I so loved Moiraine and Siuan in the episode in the first season. Can’t wait to see them in 2x07. I haven’t read the books so I was totally clueless going in.

And WHAT THE HELL?! I did not see that coming at all. This better be a planned thing between them because what? Though that last scene, the betrayal on Moiraine’s face and pain on Siuan’s seemed real. But whyyyyyyyyy. I have since checked to see which way they may go in the books…..only to find out it wasn’t this deep of a relationship there so everything is new for the show. Unhelpful since they can go anywhere!!!!!! Keep my fishwives together!!!!

I refuse to believe they are not working together all evidence going against my own head cannon is out

I haven’t read the books so I was totally clueless going in.

-> I feel you on this one, I didn't either, and apparently in the book it didn't happen either, anyway. I was deep in my feelings during the episode.

This better be a planned thing between them because what?

-> I think it was and the super long theory i'm working on is near i just have to figure out a way to add the vids as it's 1 vid per post and it's good to go. You'll tell me what you think ?

only to find out it wasn’t this deep of a relationship there so everything is new for the show.

-> Yes they were just best friends in the main serie but the prequel revealed that they were "pillow friends" basically they were a thing just not supposed to be in a serious long term relationship with Siuan. So if you want to read them together + Lan. You should read New Spring. It's the only book i'm going to read as I intend on staying a show only fan until the last season at least.

I refuse to believe they are not working together all evidence going against my own head cannon is out

-> My theory will disapoint you on this front, I don't think they did but it is still going our way ( siuaraine shippers). It's built on the assumption that Liuan ( Lan+ Siuan) did. You can take a look at the short and outdated (but still relevant ) version here if you want, if you're wainting for 10k + words version as many others here and on twitter.

https://href.li/?https://x.com/torashisama/status/1709627291062473025?s=20

Also, VOTE FOR SIUAN!

https://x.com/WotTVSeries/status/1717379260183093494?s=20