It Will Forever Baffle Me How There Can Be So Much Intelligently Written Material On Destiel And Bi!Dean,

It will forever baffle me how there can be so much intelligently written material on Destiel and bi!Dean, often by people that are queer, writers, have backgrounds in television etc. and non believers will just not have it, but have nothing backing them. It makes me wonder, have you ever come across sensibly written meta or discourse from people that don’t believe bi!Dean or Destiel? Dean’s ‘boner’ scene, the mixtape, the commentary on Aaron all come to mind as things I’d love to hear explained.

Lol nope.

I would love it if someone could actually point me to any intelligent meta or analysis of any Destiel or Bi!Dean scene that concludes that Destiel/Bi!Dean is NOT a thing? Anyone? 

I actually did read some anti posts trying to disprove Destiel a while back and I pretty much laughed the whole way through it, since it was based on the same 4 arguments that we have disproved with canon evidence over and over again. The only evidence antis have against Bi!Dean and Destiel is wishy-washy at best and from earlier seasons such as Dean telling Victor and that one Vampire that “he doesn’t swing that way”.

In the later seasons, the Destiel/bi!Dean evidence is so clear that antis have resorted to screaming “PANDERING” to Andrew Dabb rather than actually trying to provide a non gay explanation.

Their arguments about the mixtape were the BEST! OMG I laughed for DAYS after reading that!

I believe it actually went something like “Destihellers keep saying that Dean gave Cas a mixtape! He DID NOT give Cas a mixtape! He gave him a tape with a mix of Zepp songs. It is NOT THE SAME THING!”

I mean, if you want me to make it clearer, this is what they sounded like, whilst claiming every variation meant a different thing:

“The mixtape”

“the mixtape for Cas”

“the tape that is a mix of Zepp Songs for Cas”

“Cas’s mixtape”

THEY ARE ALL DIFFERENT THINGS CLEARLY

But yeah what interests me in fandom is peoples backgrounds, because among us meta writers several of us are writers, or have backgrounds in film/TV production, or are actually working in academia or publishing/editing/journalism. Most of the meta writers I know are people in their late 20s to 40s with full time careers and college educations. We are all intelligent people and we have all clearly come to similar conclusions.

I don’t know the backgrounds of the antis. All I know is that they are blinded by their hatred of Castiel/Destiel and our side of fandom. They can’t articulate themselves clearly, because everything they say is powered by hatred, so they resort to screaming blindly and overusing an outdated gif of Jensen on a bad day. They make up lies, and rely on fear tactics and manipulation to gather followers. They spend hours using photoshop to edit Misha/Cas out of promotional material where he is front and center. But the one thing they have never been able to do is put down an intelligent debateable argument counteracting the mountain of evidence we have for Destiel/Bi!Dean. Instead they resort to mockery and limiting our meta to overly simple examples out of context. They say all our evidence is about “Cucumber water” “Shirt colours” and “cake”, but they don’t ever see the context of these tiny examples when put alongside the rest of it, because they blatantly ignore the rest of it. They cherry pick the parts of the show they like, and ignore the rest. I honestly don’t understand why they even keep watching other than out of sheer spite tbh.

If you found a general audience viewer with no biased or knowledge of this show, and watched Destiel coded episodes with them, they would point out how they came across kinda gay. They might brush it off as a joke, since mainstream media has been using queerness as a joke in television for decades. But if you gave those people a little nudge, asked them to think about it a bit more deeply, then I bet that you could get them to see it. I did this experiment myself with my 28 year old brother. He admits that Destiel is a thing and whenever I go home to visit he occasionally asks me if they are together yet. He still teases the hell out of me for it, and makes a joke out of it, but the guy works in one of the most toxically masculine environments you can find (a prison) and therefore isn’t exactly the most switched on with these things - I’m sure the Gilette ad offended him. Ha.

It may take more effort if they are a particularly heteronormative person, or a straight dude, or a homophobe, but eventually, everyone would see it. Because it is there to be seen and discovered. We are not delusional. Even the antis SEE Destiel, they just deny it and then scream “pandering!” at the writers. It’s not about whether people see it or not anymore.

What it is about is how far they will take it. Whether it remains beneath the surface or if it will be brought to text. That is the antis biggest fear, and its why they are currently louder and angrier than they have ever been. We just have to keep on ignoring them and drowning our their voices with love and our own intelligent analysis and meta.

But if anyone does have any evidence of a solid and well thought out counteractive argument please link me, because I would love to sit down and read such a rare unicorn of a thing.

if it doesn’t go down like this I will be very upset

Capricious Children

AUMichael mirror of Lucifer, Amara and the Empty (14x10 spoiler)

Good afternoon! This is my second meta from Nihilism 14x10.

If you want to read the first is here and the third part is the Destiel meta I will post it soon too.

I know this parallels had been discussed all over the fandom, but I just wanted to talk about them, because I saw an image from “Nihilism” that caught my attention too, it was focused two time during the episode…

… I will return to this at the end of this meta.

Looking for Chuck’s attention

When I first heard Michael saying he will destroy every universe bc he wanted Chuck to appear in front of him… I said… Not that line again!

Because…

Ok.. Deja Vu with Amara destroying everything that breathe, and torturing Lucifer (Chuck’s fav son) like… 😥

Not just that, remember Lucifer in season 12 when he was possesing Vince Vincente?

Gif credit @morningstarendeavors

He decided to “have fun” destroying and killing people bc “he could” and bc God had abandoned him again.

So AUMichael and Lucifer with their Dad issues, carrying with the absent father trauma and Amara trying to caught his brother attention, are all in the same bag.

But talking about absent father, this is directly related to Dean and Sam with John Winchester, their ISSUES with him, and it has to do with CAS too… That’s why Dean could emphatically understand Cas…

Manipulating minds

Lucifer was always the big manipulator in the show, he uses facts and re order them to fulfill his desires…

Gif credit @heavnofhell

But the blantant parallel between Lucifer and AUMichael, was that time when both of them wanted to win Jack’s confidence, and win a powerful ally.

Gif credit @kingofthecrxssroads

This is from 13x23 👆

And this is from 14x09 👇

Gif credit @kingofthecrxssroads

Everybody wants the nougat boy but he is already taken by his three beloved dad’s. So… Thank you, but not thank you. You can take your offer and put it in the body part where the sun never shines.

AUMichael and the Empty likes to use facts that aren’t really totally true to manipulate and break “bonds”, in this case ROMANTIC BONDS and FAMILY BONDS, bc doing that, makes the person weak and manageable.

Mocking the weaknesses

I saw a lot of gif set making this funny parallel from our villains mocking our heroes in love.

Lucifer and Michael are so alike in their way to mocking, but the worst of all of them was the Empty.

Gif set credit @godshipsit

Bc The Empty knew exactly what was going on there between Castiel and his feelings for Dean, so he tried to use FACTS to manipulate him.

Lucifer is aware of it too when he took possession of Castiel, and he used it too just for fun and mocking, bc that’s how Lucifer character profile is.

But AUMichael, AUMichael is frustrated with that information, bc he can’t understand the depth of it, bc Dean has it very hidden and repressed. Then AUMichael knows something is there between Castiel and Dean, but can’t reach it.

So he mocks what he can’t totally understand.

Pics credit @hhoneycas

The Empty and AUMichael are the same for Castiel and Dean, they reflect their dark side, they confront them with themselves, their true feelings, repressed feelings, and this is why Castiel and Dean fight back both of them. To release them from their own emotional prisons.

Now… Is time for speculate…

Let’s come back to the pic I put first in this meta…

You know about pool, isn’t? Ok… But in this table that was shown two times in the episode, there’s something interesting… Pay attention to the location of each ball, their colors and the team…

There’s three balls in the same line, the two from the lef are from the same team, one green (HELAING!DEAN) and one blue (Castiel) they work together for the same team. But there’s one in the right in color red (TOXIC!DEAN) he is from the other team. And they are facing one black, the black is the ball that defines the play, and it could be any villain here… The Empty? AUMichael?, Then divided by the pool cue there’s a white one. The white is the ball that hit the others in the game. So I could say this could be God? Jack in a future? Could be Jack the new God?

But this also makes me think about a foreshadow for what is about to come… And what was written in that book that Billie delivered to Dean.

Ok, listen up, this are just speculations, but…

We know those books talks about Dean’s death, so… Dean doing a big sacrifice to save the world again, shouldn’t be a surprise, But what kind of sacrifice?

If they go with the Infinity War parallel, should be something that Dean was protecting with his life, bc is powerful… Could be Jack? Maybe Dean must kill Jack for some reason related to the AUs. IDK.

Second spec… What if the big sacrifice is the follow …

Dean is the cage, isn’t? Like the cage locked on Hell with our Michael… What if the big sacrifice is “carry with that time bomb inside of him and jump into the AU from where Michael came and let the bomb explode” yes, just him, Dean saying goodbye to his family and to Castiel and jump alone with Michael (helped by AUKaia, the dream walker) and letting Michael there with him. But… That ball blue with the green one and the red one (Profound Bond) facing Michael/Empty make me think, are they two going together to the AU? Maybe Castiel wouldn’t let him alone? Maybe? Or are they two going into the Empty together and fight him? And God there too… Are God/Jack the answer? Are one of them save the day? We hope so!

I’m kinda f dizzy right now… But you get the idea… I think?

Thanks for reading!! Please share your opinions!

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Buenos Aires January 20th 2018 1:52PM

we went from “hey, tough guy” to “you’ll always be my princess” when will your character development ever

Cockles fandom r u ok

Just watched Misha’s panel from DCCon 2016, and noticed this cute synchronization of Misha and West ❤️

They are so adorable 💖🐙