Saw Your Comment On My Vox Analysis And Yep! I'd Love To Say My Bit On This!

Saw your comment on my Vox analysis and Yep! I'd love to say my bit on this!

In short, I agree mosly with what you've put here. Even of some of the details dont fit with how I perceived the character before it does all make perfect sense.

One key point I'd like to mention is you bringing up Vox being super insecure. Not only do I think this would be a major point in what drives him away from Alastor (trying to change too much/ affecting Alastor) but I think it would have gotten significantly worse after the 'breakup'. Losing that respected connection must have been hard on him and sort of contributes to why I think Val and Vel get away with their shit.

Your statements fit in well into another post I have scheduled about how there's a sweet spot of time between "experienced enough to survive the exterminations" and "dumb luck and not having been in hell for long (so there's no bad reputation to get you used as Angel bait)". The old timers don't respect the younger ones because they probably haven't had to struggle as much, fight their way to the top. The Vees thing is literally mind control/ coercion so it makes sense that the older overlords are pissy that they had to make proper deals for their souls but because of how tech addicted the new gen is the Vees had an easy in.

(It really is those damn phones, lol)

This applies tenfold for Alastor and Vox, since Alastor would have to work hard to build a reputation, not only in death but in life too. Having Vox come in and attempt to wow the masses with lots of flashing lights and pretty pictures probably pissed him off, with the tipping point being, as you say, when Vox tried to influence or 'upgrade' Alastor.

The bit about picking sides is very interesting too. Vox would surely be known for falsifying things or embellishing the truth since that's what gets viewers. Alastor must've built up a reputation of being at least somewhat more trustworthy as an information source, so even if Vox only pissed Al off a little Al could 100% get away with telling whatever side of the story he wanted, shown by how quickly he captivates Vox's viewers after being away for 7 YEARS. That was a long winded way of saying that Vox has a messed up reputation because of how much more they trust Alastor rather then just his own actions.

Them being a well known alliance is kind of a given for me, it seems obvious that what they had must've been A, meaningful and somewhat long term. And B, public or semi-public.

Alastor being the one to approach Vox seems like it's not only the most reasonable, but also most heart wrenching. It's entirely possible that Al wanted Vox's soul or a 'sidekick' type thing to, as you said, do his paperwork and boost his ego then after having a partnership decided he'd rather have a 'friend', then Vox pissed him off so much he can't even be bothered to off him. There has to be something stopping Alastor from just killing Vox and I dont think it's power levels or reputation. Alastor could not give less of a fuck about killing overlords for the fun of it, so having Al be the original instigator of their partnership adds layers.

The final(ish) thing I'd like to add here is that its confirmed that the 'final straw' was Vox asking Al to join his team. If they already had an alliance why was this a problem?

Vox wanted to branch out and have others (Val and Vel) involved. He was so focused on upgrading and bettering he didn't realise how negative they could be for his and Alastors reputation, so when he asked Al to join them after entering another partnership behind his back, Al completely dropped him. (Vox, punished for his hubris)

Of course it's entirely possible it happens very differently to this in the show but I cant see any Canon confirmed events that actively go against what you've said, and subtext/ voicing of the characters seems to support the main idea even if I've gone haywire with the specifics.

Ty for asking for my input! Vox is a fun character to talk about! =3.

(Also petition for a Vox and Al duet in a flashback because I want a parallel to stayed gone, and this show seems to progress individual characters/duos the best in song format)

Saw your comment abt having a long theory/headcanon abt Al and Vox's Alliance/friendship, so like, share with the class, I need to hear every single theory abt them, I'm so normal abt them

Well since you asked~: I think that they not only had an alliance but it was actually ALASTOR that formed it. I know a lot of people think Vox would be the one to approach Al, I don’t think that would work. Vox would either be a nobody or a newcomer at the time they would meet. Al is arrogant and likes to be in control of things. He wouldn’t hear out Vox. BUT other way around makes sense. Alastor could have used the reasoning of “I’m bored and wanna see if alliances are entertaining” or (my theory) “This guy’s power can boost my own and vice versa…plus, I don’t want to do all the boring Overlord paperwork.” Because if the whole “Alastor became an Overlord due to technicality” thing is still canon, then he wouldn’t have signed up for anything but his own goals. Vox was probably atleast kinda interested in Alastor and also saw the potential of teaming. They worked kinda well up until their individual flaws started to bother each other. And no, I don’t think the main reason was: Old vs New. I think it was the conflicts underneath that issue that led to them becoming enemies. Actual conflicts: 1) Alastor is a mysterious loner who likes to keep things close to chest and Vox literally has cameras everywhere and wants to be on top of everything going on. Including with what his business partners are doing. 2) Alastor is arrogant and hates change, especially changing things for others (“People don’t like my radio shows? Don’t care! I do it for myself and those that do like it”) and Vox constantly needing attention and validation due to his own insecurity (“I’m losing viewers?! Quick, what trending right now? Or how can I improve this to be better?”). And finally 3) They both have tempers and think they’re usually in the right.

This also makes me think that it had to be Vox’s fault (Kinda) for the ‘breakup’. Alastor has been shown to be too stubborn to admit when he’s wrong and too tolerant of people doing things he shouldn’t tolerate just because they either get on his good side or are useful to him (*cough* Mimzy *cough*). So he probably would tolerate (to a degree) Vox’s constant need for attention and validation and constant push for fame and change. But, Al also has strict lines in the sand he won’t stand and when they’re crossed he snaps VERY aggressively (Husk touching a secretive matter when he is already pissed off in that hallway scene). So I can easily see Vox ‘improving’ (completely modernizing it or just putting things in there without permission) Alastor’s radio station as being enough to make Al destroy their alliance for good and make Vox look really bad. And this would also explain how the other Overlords see the Vees. Vox got a seat on their table by being buddy buddy with one of the most feared and THE most unpredictable Overlord. But if their partnership failing was seen as Alastor deeming the newcomer as a failure then the other Overlords would see Vox and the other Vees in a similar negative way (“Smug wannabes, who don’t heed when they’ve been warned!” -Carmilla). Because despite Zestiel questioning Alastor and Carmilla’s snide remark, they still treat Alastor (Guy who disappeared for 7 YEARS and hasn’t been doing much after killing other OVERLORDS they probably knew for a longer time) with a lot of respect. Zestiel still gives him proper greetings and more respectfully talks to him versus how he talks to Velvette. And Carmilla, still does welcome him back. He literally sits near the oldest out of all of them and the leader of the meeting. VS Carmilla acting like the Vees were either expected not to show or weren’t even invited. Zestiel rudely interrupting Vel while she’s talking, to point out how she’s wrong without letting her finish. And again, Vel seems to assume the end of the table is for her, as if the Vees are usually seated at the very last spot available. And the Vees have been around for those 7 years gaining more power. Almost like the old-timers once gave the newcomers a chance at the table but they ruined it for themselves. (*cough* one of the most powerful and vicious overlords in a group took one of you under his wing and you somehow ended up destroying that powerful alliance and replacing it with a loud pimp and a rude brat. *cough*)

SO…That my Ted-Talk. I basically do think Al and Vox were a famously good alliance at one point amongst the Overlords but when their flaws got on each other’s nerves and they ‘broke up’ (professionally/platonically), even the other Overlords simply around the two started to pick sides. I.E: Old-timers seeing the arrogance and foolishness of the young blood vs The Vees seeing a bunch of pompous fossils refusing to change for the better.

P.S. This makes me REALLY curious about Miss Zeezi since she obviously is from a more modern era (70s or 90s). Did she somehow get on the Vees bad side and that made the old-timers like her or something? Or did one of the Old guys do what Al and Vox did but make it work this time?

dropped the walrus vs fairy question on a group of psychologists today and not only did the majority agree the walrus would be more surprising, the one with the strongest background in research responded to the ‘but fairies aren’t real’ argument with “are your beliefs so inflexible that you’ve never considered you might be wrong about what’s real and what’s not?” and honestly i haven’t recovered

back at it with another doctor who poll bc i think this one would be really funny

physical fight, no weapons, yes you can fight dirty, who are you decking, i'd love to hear your reasoning in the tags LMAO

I really love the idea of Alastor slowly getting more and more comfortable with the main crew at the Hazbin Hotel. Like, he THRIVES off of being mysterious and shit, but it's hard to keep that persona up 24/7 - especially when everyone starts slowly getting more comfortable around him. (EVEN when he does the Big Scary Demon thing! What???)

Like, for instance in Ep5, Charlie isn't alarmed by what he's doing, and tbh neither is anyone at the hotel. The only person who comments that what he's doing is alarming is LUCIFER, who doesn't live there. No one else even seems to bat an eye, and Vaggie isn't upset that he takes the fight from her to do his big scary demon shit.

They like him! Hell, the only 2 people less than pleased when he shows back up in Ep8 is Husk (who he owns) and Lucifer. Even Vaggie is smiling and pleased he survived. (And even Husk and Lucifer don't look that upset, just not appreciating his dramatics.)

And so, slowly Alastor just begins to drop his Radio Demon persona. He's still touch averse, but as long as it's not forced, he allows people to touch him for small instances at a time. He begins letting the others see him when he's tired or less put together. He plays music when he's doing something around the hotel, and if someone catches him dancing, he might just invite them to dance WITH him. He dresses down if he's not going anywhere, and drapes his jacket places to not wear it all the time. He lets them SEE HIS TAIL. (No one is still allowed to touch it, nor his ears, but it's the principle of the thing.)

The main crew even stop being alarmed or scared when he DOES do his ominous shit, like they don't even react when his eyes turn into radio dials and he threatens them over something stupid. They're just like "uh huh, sure, pal." And mime patting his shoulder (they know he doesn't like being touched when he's already in this state).

He defends someone at the hotel by ripping them to shreds with his tentacles and eating them, and the person he defends just looks so thankful (even with him having blood all over him, his eyes black, and tar-like drool dripping from his mouth) and he's so caught off guard that when they ask if they can hug him, he LETS THEM.

(The entire hotel loses their shit when he drops both the radio voice AND talks with his Louisiana Creole accent one night as they're drinking.)

Doesn’t the Root of Evil stuff come from ‘Helluva Boss’? Like at the end of “Murder Family” Martha said “May the Root of Evil remain honoured as we continue thy work!” before attempting to burn Millie and Blitzo, and then at the top of the burning pyre was the Root of Evil symbol, which continued to pop up as graffiti in the background of both ‘Hazbin Hotel’ and ‘Helluva Boss’, and also in the ‘Addict’ music video, where at the beginning Angel makes the shape of the symbol with his body?

YEAHHH. I think we may have seen the same post that was somebody trying to find all the hints towards Roo. (Cannot remember their user for the life of me). I THINK (and this is a big maybe) that Roo was also mentioned in a livestream/ interview? Either way it'd be odd to add that many hints and not do anything plot wise. (Ep 1 of Helluva boss came out years ago so it's possible the original plan was to like the two together (ish) with this one character as like an overarching thing. But now I think there'd be copyright issues with crossing them over bc one is on yt for free and amazon has the rights to the other. )

The root of all evil as a character is deffinetly something that would happen in a LATER series though. Which is why I think we don't have much info other than easer eggs yet. So far, it's not too late to cut Roo as a character if there was a rush or cut off point for renewals because the audience have little to no information at all.

Its also possible that Roo is a character meant for helluva boss! And the hazbin parts are the extras. Only reason why I think Roo being more influential in Hazbin is the more likely one is because Helluva seems to focus in more on individual characters with changing antagonists. A larger force/villain like Roo doesn't really fit if you get me.

The theory that Roo is the one that made a deal with Alastor could also fit into either of the "alastor is a massive fraud" and "alastor is super tough". Little evidence for this one though other than the eye motif (most prominently connected to Roo through the eyes watching lucifer as he falls into hell in the opening. The angels are watching him before but when he's in hell it seems like something more sinister is already there, and wondering what the hell (ha) an angel is doing in its territory) Alastor seems to be watched by them in a few scenes and his sheild over the hotel in the finale has them.

Fraud Al would be tempted to make a deal with Roo because hey, who better to get some REAL power from. (Also if Al is a fraud it checks out that he'd be even more cautious of entities more powerful than him, so it'd take a BIG offer to get him to agree to anything surely?)

Not fraud Al would do it out of greed for more, always more. Its also possible that Roo made a deal with Al when he was alive and then he made a deal with Lilith/Eve later on (so Roo is the explanation for his power, rather than a secondary thought). Martha knows enough about Roo in HB e1 to have the symbol and be confident in hunting down demons, so maybe Roo is contactable in some way.

There are unrelated appearances of similar eyes though. Sir pentious for example, so it could be grasping at straws. But damn if I don't love taking a fistful of the most curly bendy straws and trying to figure out how to drink through them.

The eye motif tying together Roo and the angels is also visual storytelling brilliance imo. The two sides of the same coin are litteraly staring each other in the face.

There's a lot you can do with the Roo theories but my favourite is just trying to tie them back into the main plot and what do you know! I can fit it in with both Alastor versions! An absolute win! =3

That’s the thing: I’m not entirely sure that canon is against it, if we go solely by the text alone, in how it was he built up his power. He would still have a degree of real power, just not on the level he has claimed. Like how certain people in real life claimed to be multibillionaires until asked to show their tax records.

I get that! My main argument against it was Alastors "unclipped my wings" line. He's clearly alone in that scene so there's no need to big up his power level, but he makes it seem like he's actually even MORE powerful. Another point is how scared Husk is of him, but Husk would surely at least suspect that he was weaker. Husks comment about Al being on a leash seems to indicate that Husk knows Al is capable of more outside of this deal.

Also most of his character backstory dumps involve him rising to power VERY quickly. Fraudulent behaviour usually takes time, contacts and significant effort. It's also much more difficult to fake being powerful in a world where people are constantly trying to fight/overtake each other rather than a flippant lie about money.

Alastor displays behaviour indicative of somebody who thinks VERY highly of themselves. While he's clearly stressed about his deal, the level of confidence he has right up until the point that Adam hits him is unmatched.

Of course that could be because of his deal, but an ego like that doesn't develop over a short amount of time.

Don't get me wrong it could sill be plausible, but a few things would need to be explained or written off as holes in order to do so. Still love the idea and think it's worth asking the opinion of others who like to analyse, its a super interesting point and not one I've seen before! =3