One Of The Things That Irritates Me So Much About The Elder Scrolls Fandom Is People Taking Literally

One of the things that irritates me so much about the Elder Scrolls fandom is people taking literally any of the things that Mankar Camoran says when he is very obviously a weird cultist writing cosmological propaganda.

He literally claims Lorkhan is a Deadra and that Nirn is a realm of Oblivion, which would make absolutely no fucking sense at all and HE CAN'T EVEN GET THE NAME OF MERIDIA'S REALM RIGHT

I am BEGGING TES fans, BEGGING YOU to understand the one thing that Oblivion makes unbelievably clear which is that he is diegetically a propagandist making up absolute horseshit to justify why he's helping the Deadric Prince of Blood Oceans and Turbomurder invade Nirn, please TES fans it's like the most obvious thing ever I am begging you please understand that

Love C-Span’s “due to the fact that we are ruled by the Lord of Chaos here in the House of Representatives and there are NO RULES our cameras are allowed to ROAM FREE and provide you HOT GOSSIP of who is talking to who and how many ugly-ass ties are present on the floor” 

anti-jedi side of fandom loooove to be aphobic like they just spout off bullshit at the drop of a hat with zero awareness or critical thought

saw a post describing jedi survivor’s story and like a quarter of it was devoted to how Cal rebels against the ‘failures’ of the Order and stops ‘repressing what makes him human’ since that’s what the Order taught him to do, of course! 🙄

which first of all

IF YOU DESCRIBE ROMANTIC INTEREST AS WHAT MAKES A PERSON HUMAN YOU ARE BEING APHOBIC. fullstop. forgoing romance or sex, whether because of orientation or a matter of choice, is not inherently repressive or inhuman.

and i’m certain that’s what they were referring to, because Cal’s relationship with Merrin is the only thing that could be construed as going against the ways of the Jedi Order.

…other than his blatant quest for vengeance and near-Fall after the deaths on Jedha.

but somehow, i don’t think that’s what they meant by Cal rejecting the Order’s dogma! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

so here’s a good time for the reminder that jedi do not teach ‘repression.’ They are allowed sex and encouraged to love others, even their enemies. They don’t get married and they don’t have kids because they don’t do attachments, and they don’t make commitment that they couldn’t realistically keep while serving the Republic and the Force above all else.

SECONDLY

that’s not what the story is about. not even a subplot. Cal has a single line about the jedi ‘not being right about everything’ and yeah it’s in regards to his potential relationship with Merrin. But is breaking from the traditions of the Order a theme/subplot?

no! wanna know how i know?

literally hours after he says this he’s betrayed by Bode, his brother in arms and (until then unknown) fellow jedi, and what was Bode’s justification again? oh that’s right, he doesn’t want vulnerable refugees and rebels on Tanalorr because he won’t accept even the smallest risk towards his daughter. IN OTHER WORDS HIS ATTACHMENT. Bode was attached to his wife and daughter and was willing to give up everyone on the Secret Path and murder Cordova*** in cold blood because his wife got murdered by the empire and he was so afraid of the same happening to Kata that he was willing to sacrifice everyone else. No thought for their loved ones. their spouses and siblings and children. Nope. just Kata. That’s not even getting into the work he did and people he got killed for the ISB before also betraying them!

like Bode is The warning against attachment. willing to trap Kata in isolation against her own wishes. saying screw the rest of the galaxy. unable to notice when his own actions nearly get his beloved daughter killed. He’s so aware of his choices too, unlike Anakin who was unhinged by the end.

god i love Bode. a more grounded and…relatable(?) realistic(?) look at what attachments can lead a person to do. as opposed to choking to death the person you just created an empire to save anakin lmao

***and speaking of Cordova and Cere. Their whole storyline is about rebuilding an archive of the order’s knowledge and culture. and the tragedy is *The Empire’s* violent repression of their way of life and the destruction of that accumulated knowledge.

the Order didn’t repress their members ffs

how do (fluid) ounces fit into this system?