"Are You A Overt Or Covert System?"

"Are you a overt or covert system?"

I'm me, does that count?

(We just don't fucking know at this point, we're both and at the same time don't)

Term stealing/reclaiming

So this post it's to talk about the theft and "reclaim" that the plural community is facing, because it gets to a lot of problems in various ways, principally in the "Endos get out of our community" and "Anti-endos get out of our community" fight

I'm not gonna be taking sides and I'm gonna talk about this issue with both communities at the same manner because both of them (Endo and CDD) do wrong with this

What's the problem?

Well it's pretty easy to understand what it's the meaning of the words, isn't it? But let's do a better understanding on what it means in the plural community as a whole

When someone steals a term to use them from the other side they normally do it breaking their own boundaries, why would you think is good for you to break your own limits? And also if you don't like that side, why even bothering in stealing from them? Isn't that the same term but just like "now it's mine so it doesn't hurt me" because you basically steal it? Isn't just better to make your own term with the same definition or even a better/more personal definition that fits you best?

I honestly don't get what the point of stealing the other sides terms is

And then are the people who steal them to reclaim them to "the other side"... It's just shoving fucking syscourse through a term that doesn't care about that, terms that aren't aligned with syscourse should not be put within syscourse things

You really know that it's still stole and that doesn't make you a better person right?... You know that's not how reclaim works within this specific context?...

When someone or some group reclaims a term/word is by any of this two stances:

A word/term that was use pejorative but has been brought back into acceptable usage, usually starting within its original target

A word/term that was taken away and stolen from a person/group/community

And, when you see that 98% of this reclaiming game it's about... You'll see that doesn't fit in the two definitions... Cause they're not "reclaiming" they're stealing and saying it's ok

Since when we agree as a community that stealing each other, putting fucking discourse things that doesn't have anything to do with the term/word and claiming "I fixed it" "I reclaimed it now it's ours" was a good thing?

If you want to be better and don't contribute to the fucking problem and fight don't do this kind of shit, your not helping anyone, you're not doing a better job nor something like that, you're just making the problem bigger and making us be far away from a posible solution

Y'all need to be more mature and understand that more than a half of this stealing and reclaiming you do it's unnecessary and makes a bigger problem, doesn't solve anything just makes a bigger and worst problem, you're putting oil to and already extended fire in hope to put out the fire, and that's not how you put out a fucking fire

Anti-Endo part

So when anti-endos reclaim a term it's usually a label and/or a role, almost every time you see a CDD system anti-endo reclaiming or stealing an endo term it's a label or a role

I'm aware that it's not the only things that can and are being reclaimed and stole, but most like 98% of the reclaimed and stolen things are just that, labels and roles

There are many anti-endo that are "Why don't endos make their own terms" but then fucking steals/reclaim their terms, isn't that hypocrite? Because from what I see it is. How do you expect endos to separate form CDD systems terminology when you're stealing their terminology, idk, I just don't get this kind of people

If that term fits you just fucking use it unless it specifies that it's exclusive for one type of experience, and here's the thing...

Experience exclusiveness does NOT equal syscourse

People really need to understand that, it's similar to the boundary and stance fight (Which I already talked about, I'm linking the post if you wanna go read it) it's stupid that you put an stance on top of something that doesn't have anything to do with it, if you want to be exclusive in that term, go ahead, but putting an stance to that it's nonsence

Being and exclusive experience term has nothing to do with stances and this syscourse fight. If you, CDD anti endo, want to do a term/role/label just for CDD systems go ahead, but please put something like "exclusive to systems with a dissociative identity disorder" instead of "this is anti-endo/anti-endo exclusive"

I'm not gonna go to deep in this cause that's another post topic, but yeah-

And if you're gonna steal/"reclaim" endo terms just to make them anti endo, you're horrible, you're part of the problem, specifically this problem, and you're not doing something good or that helps, you're just putting more fuel to the already big fire

Like, maybe I will kinda understand if a label endo-exclusive it's, indeed, a CDD exclusive experience, but that doesn't make it seem good either in my eyes

And if an (pro)endo makes a term that's not exclusive and can be used for everyone, why will you steal/reclaim that?? It's dumb and nonsense, are you really that mad about the origin of the word that you have to do that shit?

Maybe if the creator it's problematic for bad things outside the "It's endo/pro-endo" I would kinda understand it, but it's pretty dumb to go and reclaim/steal terms just because of their creator when the creator didn't do anything wrong and just to fit your stance, that's a shitty behavior if you ask me

So anti-endo CDD systems, stop "reclaiming" and stealing terms that aren't yours and you can't reclaim, you're not helping anyone and are not contributing to solve the problem

Endo part

The things I said for the anti-endos kinda apply the same here, both parts are make almost the same mistakes in this story

The reclaiming/stealing because an stances is bullshit, and when it comes to experiences and it's exclusiveness it's worst

I think endos sin more from this error than CDD systems, they see some terms that are exclusive for dissociative identity disorders experiences and come and steal them

And yet this same endos that steal/reclaim exclusive experiences terms are the ones who complain that they're not faking the disorder nor wanna be compared to the CDD systems, you see how hypocrite that is? (Generalizing, not all are like this but a big majority are)

A lot of anti-endos and CDD systems dislikes the endos and pro endos because they behavior, how they steal, take, "reclaim" and do that kind of things to dissociative identity experiences of the disorder, it's not that hard to make up your own terms and don't steal and take advantage of the terms that are medical and non-medical but exclusive

As I said with anti-endos, you can make up new word to make your own term that it's for you. I know there are some immature anti-endos that will try to reclaim/steal the term, but the mature CDD systems and anti-endos we'll be glad that your not appropriating our things, that you're making up your terms to be separate from us

The other things that I didn't say is because I don't want to repeat the same points as I already did

Both parts

And yet addressing their issues by separate doesn't mean we already talked about all, because here comes the bigger issue that it's involving this to parts and their immaturity

We come to the both sides terms, terms, labels and words that aren't exclusive in experience, and for good and obvious reason don't have a fucking stance shove it down. Terms like plural or headmate

Look, I know you can say there are sources from both sides to reclaim it as exclusive, this and another words, but in reality there's this thing called "impartiality", some word/terms are that, impartial and neutral, that aren't attached to any side

I get that can get annoying or something like that if you see the side that you don't like, but that doesn't give you the right to come and try to "reclaim"/steal that word and put them a fucking stance, because those terms aren't exclusive experience at all, so what you're doing it's trying to make a word a weapon and put it a stance, like if the word had consciousness to have an stance in this stupid fight, the word doesn't give a damn how it's used and you, both sides, are making a big deal about it

People have to accept that some word are for both parts, like it or not, and you can't do anything about it, sure is valid to feel mad, sad or something like that, but going to the point of trying to steal or reclaim a word that isn't yours and isn't exclusive it's a pretty dumb shit that just helps the image that both CDD and endos are some toxic little inmatures

Words/terms like those can describe a various amount of things, so it's obvious that both sides are gonna use it, if you don't like that well stop using those words and use the exclusive ones, there's no exclusive word for what you're searching for? Well go ahead and make up your own words to use it for yourself, but stop putting yourself in this stupid words/terms fight cause it's hurting both sides and benefiting no one

Can we please be mature enough and grow up and leave this fights? Don't you think endos and CDD systems would be in peace and not have this stupid fights if things like this wouldn't be a problem?

Endos and CDD antis are the ones who are obstaculising themselves to be separate, it's like a fight between toddlers when they have their own toys but are mad because are not the same colour so they fight for the other's toy, they can't be separate from each other because they're fighting for no reason, for a thing that could be just not happening, do you imagine how would it be if the kids saw that they can have shared toys and personal toys without a fight? That would be ideal and good, the same with this thing

To be honest it's just frustrating seeing both parts being their own enemies and blaming the other for that, when they're the one to blame, both of them, it's both fault, and you can't say me otherwise

In this topic I think I covered all the things to be said, be free to comment/repost your own thoughts or additions to this post and topic, if they're for a little chat/debate and it's respectful I will give it a try to make a little conversation from that

But for now, that's all, see ya and have a good day/night

OCT Endo

I'm gonna present and explain what does OCT endo means, as we use it in tags to describe our instance to endos

OCT means "Oppositively Constructive To" as a different position to the endo opinion besides pro/neu/anti because none of those described correctly our position to the topic

By definition, being oppositively constructive means opposing an idea, proposal, or plan while offering constructive feedback, alternatives, or improvements. This stance involves a critical approach that seeks to improve or refine the original concept rather than simply rejecting it, aiming for a better, more effective solution

So this means we're anti endo? Not exactly, so we're gonna explain in detail and depth what we mean when we use oct endo as our position label

To make short the big story we're gonna skip a lot of background that made us be in this position, it's going to be the meaning, if you're interested on knowing the background for all of this and a more extended view of what we think about endos you can comment and will do a post if we see it necessary

We like the theory, but not how it's practice; we like the concept, not the endos/endo community itself

The concept of non disordered plurality is so extend and interesting in many ways, yes, we don't agree with many points, but we do agree, understand and feel ok with some others, like all of the things that exist we think it can be improved and refined, although some specific types of non disordered plurality are already well explained and established, but I'm talking of endos as a whole an not like and specific category of non disordered plurality

The concept of non disordered plurality is real, valid and we're half ok with it, we do find some ways of presenting it and some characteristics in this a bit off and offensive to disordered plurality, but we're ok with the concept itself

THE PROBLEM comes when talking about the endos themselves and the community that they have made it's when we enter the worst part of the things

All of the endos that we have met are horrible persons, actively tried to manipulate, use and abuse us, or are just immature annoying people that like harassing and feel moral superiority that end up being trash, we had have terrible experiences with endos, and we have seen the attitude and behavior of endos outside our experiences and almost always is just horrible shit (Bonus points because a lot of pro-endos are similar that this endos)

And even outside their horrible behavior and attitude, endos have ruined themselves, in the meaning that they ruined the concept of non disordered plurality, many of the endos that we have seen don't even understand it and it so... Strange and uncomfortable, I assure you many of disordered systems would not have any problems with non disordered plurality if it wasn't for this kind of behavior and misinformation/lack of knowledge in their own topics, it's so dumb for me to see how they claim to be something they don't even understand and try to make that their whole personality and shit like that, because it affects negatively in their lives and in others lives in the way they're doing it

We don't say all endos are like this because it's not, but you have to admit the the majority of endos are like that and it's... Horrible. For making up numbers we'll say that like 98% of endos are the worst of worst, and like only 2% it's the ones that are good or neutral, we needed to search through a lot to find some good endos and all the endos that have been interacting with us previously and the attacks we received here proves our point that the majority of endos are terrible persons, or at least are horrible

We're not going to say and specify our problems with endos and their community because that would be such a long post and I don't think somebody would even care to read it, but we indeed have a lot of things to say regarding endos and their community

If you think about it none of the to bands are right (endos and none endos - pro vs antis), endos didn't ruin the plural community nor the CDD systems, it was both bands that ruined the community, and instead of, you know, trying to help each other, understand and help the community, both parts are still fighting and are so attached to their beliefs and are so haters that they don't even care for the plural community and we get so fucking annoyed by that

Non disordered plurality is real, is valid, it exists, is the endos that make it horrible, they don't know how to express it and be mature enough to understand it, they've deformed it and now it's something shitty and it's presented in such horrible and dumb ways that it lose it's original concept (Generalizing and our personal opinion), I think the endo community and endos themselves can be better if they improve and understand, admit and work in their flaws, get better terms for them, stop the stupid fight and if they listen to people who aren't just haters, they can be so benefited by some good constructive feedback to improve and be better

So to conclude and made a little summary of this position:

Oct endo it's a stance in where someone it's against endos and they're community because of themselves, not the concept. Someone who's oct endo recognize the existence and validity of the non disordered plurality while having in mind some feedbacks, alternatives and improvements for a better understanding and expressing of this type of plurality in a non hurting nor malicious way, but at the same time is against actual endos for its way of presenting to the world, being critical with their existence in a constructive way and not just denying their existence and validation

People who are oct endo also have their personal preference regarding endo interacting (and some times pro-endo interacting to), some oct endo would prefer not to interact, interact with a specific group of endos or be ok with endo interaction, this stance isn't attached to a specific interaction boundarie

At the same an oct endo could have their own personal opinion and POV of endos, their community, and the concept of non disordered plurality, there isn't a specific rule on their POV nor opinion to use the label oct endo in themselves, just to follow the basics of the stance that has been described

And this is the end of the definition that we give to this stance

I hope we clarified this point and make our stance understandable, if you have any comment or question regarding this you can do it freely just be respectful, cause if you're not we're gonna delete it

We just explain the stance, not our complete POV and opinion on endos, so please have that in mind and don't deform things to claim we're one of the 3 basic stances or to attack us, make assumptions and claim your assumptions are real

Also anyone can use this stance, after all stances are for everyone to use, and take our example as a invitation to make your own stance if the actual ones (pro/neu/anti) doesn't describe you, just like us

Have a good day or night, and I hope this post doesn't end in problems, see ya

Omgg jkasjksa

Igualmente si gustan puedo enseñar lo que se pff, aunque no somos buenos maestros xd

ARE U SPEAK SPANISH?!! >_<

YEAAAAAHH

I speak spanish, is my first language!!

Though like almost 80% of the system feels more comfortable talking in english than spanish (the ones who don't prefer it don't know english lol)

Do you speak spanish?? :0

Vent post

Why everytime a professional in mental health tells you something that you already know hit so fucking hard and makes me wanna cry?

In our today's session our psychologist told us "Yes... Those are post traumatic stress symptoms" and we knew, we are aware of that, but it fucking hurts so bad and when we heard it from her we felt so horrible and bad, like the body reacting bad when you hear something you shouldn't

We knew we have it, why does it hurts and feels so bad when

ARE U SPEAK SPANISH?!! >_<

YEAAAAAHH

I speak spanish, is my first language!!

Though like almost 80% of the system feels more comfortable talking in english than spanish (the ones who don't prefer it don't know english lol)

Do you speak spanish?? :0