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If The Only Way You Can Validate Or Present Your Perspective Is With Threats, Aggression And Anonymous
If the only way you can validate or present your perspective is with threats, aggression and anonymous hate mail then your argument is invalid and didn't have a sound basis to begin with.
I've always said that X vs Y discussions should always be enacted as if you're in court. You present proven facts, you maintain composure, you listen when the opposition speaks.
Telling people you hope they die or wishing violence on their loved ones or spamming them with hate mail quite literally accomplishes nothing. You haven't and won't change their minds. You're not presenting anything of substance for them to actually look at and evaluate. You're only ensuring they don't listen to you on principle and gain prejudice against your entire perspective.
If you want someone to try a slice of cake and like it, you don't tackle them and try to violently shove it down their throats. You show it to them, you tell them about it, and why you like it. The same applies when you're presenting your perspective on something.
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the hell? i’d say that’s relevant info lmfao 🤣
OP did not mention, at all, anywhere in their post or posts prior that their actual reason for calling out the user was because they're a known, real-life pedophile and a current danger with an accessible, public platform. They only mentioned it after I told them callout posts based on the proship-vs-antiship argument result in an influx of harassment.
"Block this user because they're proship" =/= "block this user because they're a known, real-life pedophile and an active danger."
OP made a callout post based on one thing, then in response to me telling them its a well-intentioned but bad idea, changed their entire basis of the callout.
I have no issue with bringing active pedophiles to public attention. My sole issue and the current nature of the discussion is the fact that OP said one thing, got offended I opposed it, then said something completely, vastly different to defend their original action.
Does that clarify the issue?
hi while idc abt all this antiship bs i do know that kodogender is knowingly dating an abuser and an actual rreal life pedophile who hurt multiple ppl v close to me. jsyk
But that wasn't the point of the call-out post, nor the information given. The post wasn't calling the user out for being a known pedophile or causing harm to people. In fact, there was actually no mention of that in the post or the tags. It was just another "ew icky proship" callout post which have been proven, time and time again, to be subject to extreme bias and encourage harassment.
An actor who is openly okay with their character being shipped with other characters or who is openly okay with being shipped with their costars/friends is not automatically giving you permission to engage them in it or push it on them.
It is not an open invitation to send them explicit ship art or tag them in ship posts or ask them inappropriate questions at Cons. It is not an open invitation to try to dig out their sexuality or use their stance on shipping as "evidence" that they're X or not X.
"I am okay with people having creative perspectives on my relationships." =/= "I am okay with being forced to constantly see it, be asked about it or have it impact my life."
I've seen people bringing explicit art to conventions for the actors to sign and for some of them it has very clearly made them uncomfortable. Even if its not intended to be RPF you are still using their exact likeness in pornography.
Unless you know with 100% certainly that someone is okay with being actively engaged in something, don't try to push their involvement. Stop asking them invasive questions at panels. Stop bringing explicit art or fanfiction to meets.
In real terms, its like when your parents or friends insist you have a crush on someone or you must be secretly dating. It makes things uncomfortable, awkward, and after a point it gets frustrating and upsetting. There are countless examples of famous people who've had their lives impacted by people trying to force ship content on them, be it by destroying their real-life relationships or just by making them actively resent the characters, fans and/or ships.
Septiplier (Youtubers Mark Fischbach/Markiplier and Seán McLoughlin/Jacksepticeye) is a prime example of this, where fans were so determined to actively force them to engage with shipping that it began to negatively impact their friendship and real-life relationships to the extent that for a while they took a break on being publicly seen as interacting.
To summarize; Creating ship content and shipping characters or RPF is fine and valid, but unless an actor has explicitly said they are happy to be engaged in it or presented with it, you should do your due diligence to make sure you're not exposing them to content or trying to force that content to sway/impact/represent reality. (E.g; many straight actors are perfectly fine with their fans creating queer RPF, and it does not "provide proof" that they're actually not straight.)
"Why can't the freaks on AO3 just go and make a site for all the gross stuff and leave AO3 alone."
Because AO3 is that site. Because AO3 was that site long before you decided AO3 was better than the sites you bullied us off of before, and I can promise you if someone somehow comes up with a fanfic site you like better specifically for the 'gross stuff' you'll try to bully us off that too so you can benefit from it.
AO3's specific core purpose is to preserve fanfiction, yes, but it was also instigated as a host site for the fanfiction that kept getting yeeted off other platforms like Wattpad. Its designed to preserve all fanfiction, not just the fanfiction you, personally, think is 'allowed' to be written.
AO3 is the site for all the gross stuff the freaks make. We've been there just as long as you. We've been funding it just as long as you have. AO3 has specifically said you have a place here. The timeline was literally:
Wattpad/FF.net/LiveJournal purge fanfics > AO3 is born > The people who's fics got purged moved over to AO3 > AO3 gains popularity as the best functioning site > The people who pushed for the fics to be purged off Wattpad move to AO3 > The same people try to push for AO3 to purge fics.
AO3's source coding is open-access. You go make a polished, strict, rigid site where nothing 'icky' is allowed. You go make a site where you can control what is hosted. We already have our space.
To make it clear; this account nor I support in any way JK Rowling, the Harry Potter franchise or any other franchises she's dipped her bigoted little toes in, however.
Some of you who are just making emotional rage posts with no sensical point, threats, no information or evidence, ect, are just doing more harm than good. And I don't mean the actual posts from trans and Jewish people expressing they're hurt. I mean the all caps 'I hope your family burns if you buy the game' kind of posts.
JK Rowling is wealthy, influential and self-assured. If we're going to have any impact at all on a woman who's experienced that amount of success in her life, its not going to be by screaming into the Tumblr void.
Email your local bookstores, chain stores, supply stores, ect and, with evidence, present to them why they should remove Harry Potter merchandise from their stores. If you're also doing so, you can inform them you will be staging peaceful protests, boycotts of their stores, ect. (I got two of my local chain stores to stop selling rawhide dog products this way. If you present the facts and the brutal reality of how damaging something can be for their profits and business, they tend to listen.)
Send letters and emails to your local libraries and book clubs and schools. The same as above; politely inform them of the facts and ask them to remove anti-semitic propaganda from their resources. Print out informative leaflets and ask to leave them at the desk or in waiting rooms.
People are still, no matter what, going to want to buy Harry Potter merchandise, so instead of buying from retailers and corporate producers, show them small businesses and independent artists! Not only are you supporting an individual person, but JKR won't get a single penny of that sale. Royalties? No Ma'am. Not in this house. JKR has openly bragged about her royalty cheques. A significant portion of those is merchandise and licensing.
Share the information, evidence and perspectives of the Jewish and trans people being impacted, profited off and ignored! Perhaps the most important part! If you're just claiming the lore and plots are antisemitic, show why! Share the voices of the people being harmed and ignored! Tumblr is actually great for that. There are a multitude of detailed, informative posts on here that need a louder voice. Link them. Share them. Send screenshots or cited copies to people.
And lastly, try to be patient and understanding when trying to help people see the facts and bigger picture. Not everyone will fully grasp the points and gravitas of it the first go around. They might not fully understand the points being presented, and that's okay. We've all seen a news headline and rolled our eyes and dismissed it as dramatic fearmongering only to later see more information and realize that, actually, it is a big issue.
(Actually also lastly is please don't resort to violence and death threats and harassment. It accomplishes nothing and will only be weaponised against the actual people and posts providing information, resources and activism. Don't give them a reason to ignore those posts and focus on mockery and spite.)