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Captain America And Queer History

Captain America and Queer History

CW: mentions of sexual themes (nothing on screen)

Ok. So, whoever did the research for Captain America either didn’t do it or knew exactly what they were doing. 

Steve Rogers grew up in Brooklyn. No one denies that. Most comics/movies put him in the DUMBO or Brooklyn Heights neighborhoods. Those and the surrounding neighborhoods were notoriously queer in the 20s-40s. 

His neighborhood would have been awash with gay bars, drag balls, automats and cafeterias (which were usually lgbtq friendly back in the day), both male and female prostitutes, and the likes. He was probably cruised or propositioned regularly.   

The neighborhood next to the DUMBO was the Brooklyn Navy Yard which was covered in both brothels (some female but mostly male). You could see men (mostly sailors from the Navy) making out or getting blown in in most ally ways.  

The Ed Brubaker 2004 comic run put Steve’s apartment just a few minutes away from St. George Hotel, one of the biggest gay hang outs of the time. 

Remember that scene from CATFA where Steve and Bucky talk about going to Coney Island? Well Coney Island of the time was covered in gay bathhouses.    

So, Even if you don’t think Steve Rogers was queer or he came out only after being in the future there is no universe in which he is not comfortable around lgbtq people. They probably even remind him of home.

-Phoenix  

Sources: 

https://www.out.com/2013/10/07/queer-waterfront-brooklyn-history

https://www.boweryboyshistory.com/2019/03/when-brooklyn-was-queer-the-forgotten-history-of-gay-existence-on-the-periphery-of-urban-life.html

https://theattic.jezebel.com/a-journey-through-the-queer-history-of-brooklyn-full-o-1833613031

https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/in-the-early-20th-century-america-was-awash-in-incredible-queer-nightlife

https://www.history.com/news/gay-culture-roaring-twenties-prohibition

https://marvelatlasproject.net

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Sarah Rogers walked Bucky to the door. He had ditched school for the umpteenth time to care for a sick Steve so she could go to work. She stopped him in the entry way before he could leave. The boy turned to look at her. She smiled.

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Yes! All of this! I hate when people paint Steve as Americas golden boy cuz he’s not. 

Also I have to add that (at least in some comics and the MCU) he lives on the Brooklyn waterfront which was extraordinarily queer especially between 1920-1945. So not only did he grow up around anti-fascists, left wing politics, trade unions, socialists and more he also grew up around a lot of queer and gender non conforming people. 

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so over on tv tropes one of the articles talks about how modern approaches to writing steve rogers are politically correct revisionist history bc people write steve now as being super accepting of all races and sexualities and genders etc.

which

is not an argument i particularly understand bc it assumes all people in the past by default held the prejudices associated with their time period

and anyway like you do know the whole point to steve rogers becoming captain america is that he’s an exceptionally decent human being which is what makes him a great super soldier


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