^me Looking At All The People Who Genuinely Believe Spider Is Going To Get Killed/harmed For The "horrible"

^me looking at all the people who genuinely believe Spider is going to get killed/harmed for the "horrible" crime of *checks notes* saving the life of a bad guy who saved his life twice, and knowing I have to wait for Avatar 3 to come out to laugh at them.

Seriously y'all, forgiveness is a huge theme of Avatar. Jake gets forgiven for lying and giving Quaritch the intel he needed to take down Hometree and Teylan gets forgiven for helping Mercer, which are both objectively worse crimes than simply sparing the life of an evil person. Yes, the Sullies are gonna be angry at Spider, understandably so, and he'll probably have a "You'll never be one of the People!" moment like Jake. But I keep seeing people have this weird fantasy of Neytiri attacking Spider after finding out and it being portrayed as the right thing for her to do, which is just insane and completely goes against the themes of the other movies.

Could you imagine what a depressing message that would send? Spider had evil parents, therefore he was always secretly evil and Neytiri was the only one who could see it, and then once Spider shows his "evil ways" Neytiri kills him and gets to say "I told you so" to everyone who didn't judge Spider based off his parents, because obviously Spider never had a chance of being a good person before he was even born, and Neytiri doesn't need to reflect on her own biases and grow as a person because she was always right about him. The message we want the audience to take away from this is that you should always judge people based on circumstances outside of their control and not what kind of person they are! Jeez. James Cameron would never.

One of the things I'm most excited to see in Avatar 3 is how the Sullies will learn that Spider saved the life of Quaritch.

Personally, I believe that Spider will tell them himself. I'm just not sure whether he'll confess before or after they learn Quaritch is alive. If he tells them before, I think the Sullies would be a bit more forgiving since they'll have time to process and accept that Quaritch survived, but if he keeps it a secret until after they'll be more likely to react badly since they'll still be struggling with the shock that Quaritch is still out there.

I don't think Quaritch will tell them himself because he'd be afraid of them, specifically Neytiri, reacting badly and possibly hurting Spider. However, I could see a scenario where Quaritch is trying to talk Spider into coming with him and Spider refuses, so then Quaritch tells one of the Sullies how he's still alive in an effort to make Spider feel like the Sullies hate him now and he has no choice but to qo with Quaritch.

There's also a possibility that both Spider and Quaritch will keep their mouths shut and one of the Sullies will guess what he did, but I feel like this one is less likely to happen since the family was so distracted with rescuing each other from drowning that they didn't pay much attention to Spider disappearing for awhile.

But this is all just my two cents on it, I'd love to hear what everyone else thinks!

I have this idea about Spider gradually starting to wear some clothes in the months during A2, including (cutoff) shorts lmao. I was briefly in the airforce version of ROTC during highschool and I despised wearing BDUs in humid heat. Texture of sandpaper and breathability of cellophane,,, hellish

(I really want to make a second post just elaborating on this concept/talking abt his character design, so lmk if you're interested! I also hope to use it in a video essay sometime, once an HD copy of the movie becomes available)

Reblogs appreciated :]

sketch on a ride home

uni/college Spider version (he's literally me rn)

ooh okay now I understand. Wow, the room for angst with Lo'ak and Spider... from Spider's pov, Lo'ak has thrown away this amazing life he's always wanted, so no wonder he's in a bad mood. And from Lo'ak's pov, Spider's always had the freedom and lack of pressure and expectations he's always wanted, so Lo'ak's finally run away and gotten what he always wanted with Quaritch and the recoms since he couldn't get it with the Sullies.

I can definitely see Spider and Leo butting heads over their differences! A Na'vi who sees Na'vi as evil vs a human who sees humans as evil is interesting. And I guess Kai would be more wary of Spider if Leo butts heads with him... and poor Leo will always think of sweet little baby MJ when he looks at Spider awww.

This is your au, you do whatever you want with it, but I think it would be a really interesting story if Spider finds a way to escape (since Quaritch is less evil in this au, maybe he wouldn't put a tracker in Spider's mask so Spider finds an opportunity to slip away when they're distracted) and makes his way back to Jake and co. And Jake, maybe losing Lo'ak made him reflect on his parenting and he regrets the way he treated Spider so he officially takes Spider in. So we have Jake adopting Quaritch's son and Quaritch adopting Jake's son. And whenever Jake and Quaritch run into each other they're like:

"You stole my son!"

"No, YOU stole my son!"

wait I have another question!

so I understand Kai and Leo are adopted by Quaritch when they're young, and Lo'ak runs away from home because of problems with Jake and then Quaritch takes him in after he gets injured. But what's Spider's deal?

In all of your art, Spider looks like he's not happy to be there, while the other boys all seem happy. Why is Spider still acting like he's a prisoner? Wouldn't Spider be happy that Lo'ak is there since they're best friends? And you described Kai as being like "mowgli" and since Spider is like "tarzan" wouldn't they get along since they're similar?

sorry for so many questions this au is so interesting!

I explained about Leo and Kai in previous post

About Spider

He gets captured almost like in canon. The difference is that of all the recoms, only Warren dies in the process (I can do anything I want in my au and I want recoms to live😌)

So he behaves pretty much like in the movie. About Lo’ak - Spider just genuinely doesn’t understand why would Lo’ak leave his family and everything else (everything Spider ever wanted) and join the “bad guys”. And seeing Lo’ak admiring Quaritch and craving his approval is weird to him. He doesn’t understand it’s literally what he was like around Jake - and that in turn was weird for Lo’ak

The only difference between their cases is that Quaritch is really starting to treat Lo’ak like a son, while Spider has never been anything more than a stray cat to Jake (angst yeah)

Leo and Spider also mirror each other, but in a different way (a human boy raised among the na’vi and a na’vi boy raised by humans). They will have a few problems becoming friends at first, mostly because their very different views of na’vi and humans

Also for Leo the villain is Sully because he’s the reason his father and so many people he cares about are gone. Na’vi - they abandoned him. Quaritch, on the other hand, is a hero to him. He saved Leo when he was a baby and he's been taking care of him ever since

It’s all a matter of perspective

Kai is… different. Spider is Tarzan because he has dreadlocks and climbs trees and I guess you can say he lived in the forest, but Kai is Mowgl because he was literally raised by animals. He behaves more like an animal than like na’vi or human

So he’s close to nature and animals, but not to na’vi culture or Eywa (though he can speak na’vi and he knows other stuff, how to use a bow for example - his father taught him before he died). Also Kai is… you can say weird? wild?… He doesn’t talk much. And he only cares about what Leo cares about.

But after all eventually all the kids gradually get along and become good friends

It’s ok I’m really happy you’re interested😖💙💙💙

Schrödinger's cat(s?) in a state of self-conflict following Recent Events™

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with inredible delay, I finally can present to you fanart for chapter 1 of our hearts beat in the womb of the world by the most awesome @mochalottie !!!