It Just Really Makes Me Mad, Seeing How Chlo And Adrien's Relationship Devolved. The Idea That One Of

It just really makes me mad, seeing how Chloé and Adrien's relationship devolved. The idea that one of the protagonists was childhood friends with one of the antagonists—note, antagonist, not villain—was such an interesting one, because I'd never seen something like that before.

In most TV shows, the petty bully character was just someone to stir the pot and to oppose the main cast, and any friends they did have were just patsies. But knowing that Adrien and Chloé had that established relationship was something I wanted to see.

If only they'd explored their relationship more. Besides learning more about their pasts, it also would've given us a look-see into how their upbringings impacted them and how their relationship came to be. I would've loved to see them have things about their friendship that made it unique, like shared secrets between them.

Plus, from a Chloé-damnation arc perspective, it would've also put some more emphasis on her downfall, because the show would've shown us the difference between the Chloé Adrien knew and the Chloé that hit the ground face-first. I also feel like it would've been a good gut-wrenching moment to really hit home just how low Chloé fell, because we would've seen her go from the friend Adrien knew to a seething hateful villain.

If Thomas Astruc really wanted that damnation arc, then he could've weaponized hers and Adrien's childhood relationship to deliver a truly painful emotional downfall, because then Adrien would've had to face the reality that the person he knew was well and truly gone.

Wasted potential aside, I never really understood the Derision episode in Season 5, where Adrien confronts Chloé for "traumatizing" Marinette and demands an apology. Chloé broke off their friendship in Banana Queen—SHE told Adrien they weren't friends anymore. So what was even the point of having Adrien tell Chloé "You're awful, you traumatized my girlfriend, apologize to her"? So Adrien can have the last word or something? You'd think he'd know better than to believe she'd actually apologize just because he said so.

When it comes to people being against Chloe getting a redemption arc one of their excuses is that Marinette/ladybug helping Chloe is bad because "it teaches kids that they should help their bullies regardless". But when was it ever said that Marinette had to be the one to help Chloe. Adrien is right there! Have him be the one to help Chloe. It'd even be a perfect excuse to give him more screentime too!

It's weird because the earlier episodes that set up the idea of Chloe turning a new leaf showed Adrien taking the most pity on her and pretty much told Marinette and Ladybug that they should trust her more (Antibug, Malediktator).

The show even set up the idea of Adrien and Chloe's friendship being tested through Adrien actually calling her out, but after a single episode ended with him giving up on actively trying to help her change, it pretty much stopped (Despair Bear). the show did nothing with their friendship in Season 3, retconned it so Chloe only saw Adrien as arm candy in Season 4, and finally had him end their friendship in Season 5 after her bullying indirectly affected him thanks to his girlfriend being traumatized by her.

In short, the show was seemingly going in the direction you suggested, anon, but then stopped halfway through Season 2 for no real reason.

Was doing the last of my work, middle of the night (12-5am) hand in pain, and was pretty much on the verge of an emotional breakdown.

AND THE ONE THING THAT KEPT ME FROM DOING THAT WAS:

"I have no time for this."

What's up with my mental? Did I just procrastinate on a mental breakdown?

Needing more screentime to flesh out supporting characters and their arcs and not getting it, while claiming it happened—Chloe *cough* "damnation arc" *cough*—seems to be a common theme in this show.....

*Lucille Bluth voice* I don care for Zoe.

Look, I'm that dumb salty fan that simply can't get over her fave character being sacked. But is sooo anoying that not only the bee hero was replaced, also the cute girl, the creative girl, the gay girl, the actress girl, the rich girl, the shy girl, the etc girl... all by the same character. And Thomas was all like omg you cant wait to meet her shes so like the coolest omg you see her already? Didnt told ya she was thE cooLest?? OMG

Zoe is not the swiss knife that TA thinks she is, otherwise she would have her own show, but that would be starting from zero and I guess is easier having long lost sisters out of the blue or whatever.

I'm sorry for the vent Mr. Iota. What do I know anyway, I'm not the creator of the show that is more famous than pokemon.

At the very least, Zoe should have been introduced earlier to better establish her as a character so she isn't just seen as Queen Bee's replacement. A lot of the traits the show gives her could work in the right context, but she doesn't get enough screentime to really flesh out things like her past with bullying or her growing feelings for Marinette.

Is there a reason why hijas only means "daughters"? Or is it just one of those "it's just Spanish rules" things?

Another dumb question, if you don't mind!

I see it often that hijos means "children", but when I google if "hijas" mean the same thing, I'm getting mixed signals. One answer I got from my look-see is that somehow, if you say hijos, it means "sons/children", but if you say hijas, then it's exclusively "daughters".

Is this correct? If it is, why? Is it another one of those nuance questions, or is it a regional thing?

Yes, the default word for "children" is hijos which is also "sons"

But if someone asks ¿Tienes hijos? "Do you have children?" you might say Sí, tres hijas "Yes, three daughters"

hijas by itself only ever means "daughters"

The only one I can think of about Adrien having a good memory of his mom is just this one freaking photo of her head on Adrien's—and that's a stretch for me. He also has her on his computer, but I don't think it counts.

She's nothing but a plot device. Plain and simple. And that's sad.

I think it‘s also kind of weird that, if I remember correctly, that we never had a flashback of Emilie interacting with Adrien? We get something how Emilie was with Gabe, Nath, Audrey and Andre when they did their archeology trips (we see that in s5 I think) but nothing with Adrien.

Just seems like their relationship… really doesn‘t matter all that much?

Their relationship really doesn’t matter beyond her use as pity fodder for Adrien

Adrien’s mourning of her feels so superficial and impersonal and while it’s almost definitely just the writing being Bad, I can’t help but think they really didn’t have much good going on as a result

Thank you for answering! Putting this into one of many notes about Spanish 😄

Sorry about this question, since it might be a bit vague, but I just want to be informed.

There's something I came across, where "tengo qué" means "I have to". Why? Is "qué" a versatile word that has multiple meanings, depending on context?

Yes and no

qué "what" is considered different from que "that/which", and then sometimes has idiomatic uses with other verbs

tener que + infinitive is "to have to do something" [in Spain and in older Spanish you sometimes see haber de + infinitive]

That's considered a more idiomatic usage of it, but like tengo que hacer la tarea "I have to do the homework", or tengo que hacer unos deberes "I have a few chores to do" is considered an idiomatic expression of tener; and the que doesn't have any specific grammatical meaning

But it doesn't have an accent mark

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If you see qué it's an unknown thing, a "what". Primarily it's questions, but it can just be an unknown noun

If I saw tengo qué I would interpret it as ¿tengo qué? "I have what?"

The que without the accent mark is often "that/which", a word that connects clauses [two or more subjects and verbs]

In other words, es un lugar que conozco "it's a place that I know"; the que separates es "it is" and conozco "I know", separate subjects and verbs

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There are other uses of que as idiomatic, like in some commands or indirect commands; very different from what you were asking about so I don't want to confuse you