Theasexual-jackson - Angelle DiPoetry

There.

*Turns into Michael Jackson.* You and I must make a pact. We must bring salvation back. Where there is love; I'll be there, I'LL BE THEREEEEEEEE-

I'm genderfluid. Which means sometimes I'll be a boy. In other times, I'll be a girl. And some other times, I will be neither, or both! My gender will always be changing and I'll not be a single something forever. But, do you know what I'll always be?

Hi, my name is Angel and I go by all pronouns. And I'm gonna answer the questions aimed at anti mspec lesbians and/or lesboy.

Be aware that I'm gonna answer specifically on the mspec lesbian and lesboy discourse because I am a lesbian myself and I am directly affected by this. So, don't expect me to talk on turigirl/gaygirl or mspec gays.

1- I am against the term mspec lesbian and it's derivates because, no 1: Lesbian is not an umbrella term. No 2: Lesbian is exclusive to non men who are attracted in any way, shape or form to, exclusively, other non men. Saying you're a bi lesbian is something that implies that lesbians are open to attraction to men, which is lesbophobic (and sometimes even biphobic, since the reason the bi community was created in the first place is that bi ppl needed a specific space to talk about their specific experiences, clumping the lesbian and the bi women inside lesbianism is against the wishes of the bi community). And, about male/boy lesbians, it's for this same reason. Lesbian is non-men for non-men exclusively. BUT, although, however, nevertheless, I am not 100% against the term of lesboy. From what I have seen until now, this term got reclaimed by masculine lesbians (nonbinary lesbians, butch lesbians, transmasc lesbians, he/him lesbians, etc.) and the meaning got turned into lesbians who are masculine in some form. And I support the term lesboy in this reclaimed sense, but not in the sense of saying that men can be lesbians or can be included in the lesbian community.

2- I am one of those, lol.

3- Abrosexuals? Oh boy, tbh, I interpret abrosexual as an umbrella term, since I've seen some aro/ace flux people using these fluid terms and using abro at the same time. In fact, I saw a gay dude who was aceflux and he used abrosexual because of his acefluidity. So, yeah, completely valid.

4- Bold of you to assume I don't support the terms bisexual homoromantic and derivates, lmao. I prefer people referring themselves as biromantic homosexual than a bi lesbian, let's bfr. Bisexual homoromantic is more specific. It's direct and it doesn't imply that bisexuals can choose nor tries to include men on the lesbian community, like bi lesbian. It simply says that the person is sexually attracted to multiple genders but romantically attracted to one. Just think of it as aromantic lesbian or asexual lesbian. Same logic, not harmful to any of the communities.

5- As long as this boygirl is not a binary boy, they can be a lesbian. Simple and direct.

6- No. I might be a wackass weirdo with self-deprecating ass humor, but I'm better than that. Hot bitches don't bully, they educate.

7- Idk 😭😭😭 but the term mspec lesbian/trans men lesbian never sat right with me, but since many people were accepting of it, or close to that, here on tumblr, I simply sucked it up. Until I tried to observe this discourse these days and came to my conclusion that mspec lesbian & boy lesbian are harmful to my community.

I'm sorry if I'm late, but yeah, it's never too late to talk about shit. 👍🏽

hey so i wanted to ask this cus i've been rlly curious abt this discourse and i want to hear both sides : mspec lesbians && gays , gaybians , && lesboys / turigirls

personally , i'm leaning to the pro side of this discourse because i consider my attraction to men gay in some capacity , because i identify primarily as a male. but i wanted to ask some questions to both the anti , pro and anywhere in between sides !

for pro - mspec gays / lesbians , gaybians , lesboys / turigirls :

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what r some reasons u believe what u do? just a basis of ur beliefs regarding it ig

what r some reasons someone might identify as these?

do you identify as one or multiple of these things ?

do you go out of your way to attack ppl who are on the pro side of this discourse? do you just block people who are on the anti side? ( mostly because i've heard stories from both abt getting death threats and such )

for gaybians: why not a different label? like , why not omnisexual , bisexual , or pansexual? why specifically gay & lesbian? ( question given by my friend )

how did u find out abt mspec lesbians / gays , gaybians && turigirls / lesboys? do you think how you found out about it influenced what side you were on?

mspec monos have apparently been apart of the queer community for years , so , do you have any sources and such to back this up? i see it commonly brought up in pro mspec mono spaces and haven't been able to find any myself ( i'm not doubting it! i'm just curious and want to read about more queer history )

for anti - mspec gays / lesbians , gaybians , lesboys / turigirls :

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what are some of the reasons u believe what u do? like , just a basis

do u support people w fluid genders / sexualities , and / or multigender people?

if so , why is the case different when someone may be abro but primarily gay?

why are asexual and aromantic lesbians and gays okay but not someone who may identify as bisexual homoromantic? or homosexual omniromantic?

what abt someone who's a boygirl and identifies as a lesbian? are they suddenly not 'girl enough' to identify as a lesbian despite the term technically fitting them?

do you go out of your way to attack ppl who are on the pro side of this discourse? do you just block people who are on the pro side? ( mostly because i've heard stories from both abt getting death threats and such )

how did u find out about mspec lesbians / gays , gaybians && turigirls / lesboys ? do you think how you found out about it influenced what side you were one?

The terf pipeline that assigned female at birth trans folks are just “little girls with internalised misogyny and want to be males to escape misogyny” is bullshit! Feat. My experience as an afab transneutral person.

Hi, everyone! For those who don't know me, my name is Angel and I go by all pronouns (neos & xenos included), and welcome to this simple, but big, post.

I think everyone knows the radfems, also known as terfs. You know, these women whose feminism is just transphobia, racism, ableism, generalisation of womanhood and plain exclusion of anyone who isn't a cishet, white, middle to high class women. Maybe, a little bit of queer women, but only in their criteria.

And I think everyone here knows on their infantilization of trans men and assigned female at birth trans people in general. They always say: “Oh, poor little girl, consumed by outside and internalised misogyny, so she tries to be male so she can try to live happily!! =((”

And I say, bullshit, bullshit, FUCKING BULLSHIT! Talking from experience, even!

You see, even though I was raised and socialized as a girl... I didn't experience that much of misogyny. Hell, probably not at all.

“Omg, that's impossible, how would you do that?” Rapunzel. That's the secret, I lived and live to this day like Rapunzel.

I don't go out to stores that often, I only have one way on my daily basis: Home → School → Home. That's it, that's all it. This is how my life goes since forever.

And when I go out somewhere, I'm 9/10 times around one of my parents or my brother. So, my chances of getting catcalled, s/a'd or something are quite low.

I am a hyper protected kid, that's why I am a pussy. And while my mom was mean and a bigot in general in many points of my adolescence, she had enough sense to not be misogynistic throughout my childhood (things started to go wrong in my life, between me and her, when I started to show signs of non-cisgenderness and gender non conformity, to summarize).

And that gave me time to discover my identity without women hating structure of patriarchal society on the way (gender imposition on max.). In fact, I was reluctant to accept that I identified in a masculine way sometimes, because cis femininity (and probably some internalised transphobia) was too impregnated on my brain, at that point. So when I started to feel side effects of an misogynist society, my identity was already constructed, I already knew who I was, so misogyny couldn't really play a role in it.

To give y'all an idea, the first time I've ever been a victim of misogyny was in 2023, when I was 15, close to turning 16 years old, and I was getting romantically harassed by a boy (he changed schools, so I won't see that nigga's face ever again, THANK YOU LORD 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽) and that same muthafucka went on to say, in the middle of class, that women bad and they be the reason why we fail (based off that fucking Adam and Eve story, btw), directed at everyone who was read as a girl in that class, aka all the girls of my class and me. And, since I'm closeted, I had no choice but only be disgusted at that remark of his.

But, key word, disgusted. Not guilty, not deeply affected like any normal woman would; But disgusted. Because misogyny is disgusting to everyone who's not a misogynistic.

See where I'm getting into? My first contacts with what is misogyny in practice came too late to be experienced from a girl's perspective. Maybe from a fem presenting perspective, since I'm closeted, but I only can view it from a transgender perspective, now.

My transgender identity cannot be affected deeply by misogyny now, because misogyny came too late.

And that's not a case only for me, but for many other trans minors. Many trans kids understand that they diverge from the gender they were assigned at birth, even before getting a grasp of misogyny and/or gender related violence, even when they don't even know the existence of the word trans.

So, in conclusion, transness is not a result of internalised misogyny, but being a nasty girl who dismiss other girls just to get male appreciation is (and not only that, tho, patriarchy has many faces other than just sexual violence).

Bye!!! =3

And what about being a lesbian in a fandom that centers around a dude? LORD, I'm in the Soldiers of Love fandom and I can't help but be baffled at how everyone (specially MJPervs) talk about his dick 24/7, like- Chill tf out, I can't be the only one who just wants to just gossip with my man😧 /noromo

ive known im a lesbian for a couple months at this point but sometimes the re-realization hits real hard. one of my friends made a sex joke on a vc earlier and he's a cishet man and that context made me realize how uncomfortable i am with the idea of having anything to do with a man as more than friends 😭im sure it will happen again and it has happened before

reeeaaalll, all of my friends are attracted to men in some capacity so sometimes they start talking about how a guy is hot and it often reminds me of how even just the idea of myself dating a man makes me a little uncomfortable

Also, wouldn't the urge of one single culture & country for Jewish people be, you know, an erasure of Jewish multiculturalism? Because, like, after the diaspora many different types of Jewish cultures of different regions started to appear?

Sephardic and Azkenazi are not the only types of Jewish in existence after the diaspora. There is Ethiopian Jews, East Asian Jews, Amerindigenous Jews and many others, you can't simply expect that all of these people just get clumped altogether and homogenize into one single culture on the middle east.

currently remembering pouring soil from israel into my grandparents' graves at their funerals... anti zionism & anti israel-isms cannot be separated from antisemitism. the people who say it can have no conception of how intrinsic the idea of israel as homeland is to the jewish identity. an attack on israel is an attack on the jewish people.

Do you realize that by equating Israel with Judaism you’re saying apartheid, genocide, ethnic cleansing and Jewish supremacy are Jewish values? Is that what you want the world to think of Jews? Is that what YOU think Judaism is about?