Well There's Room For So Much Angst Tbh. Like The Line Of The Actual Book Starts With 'All Of This Has

Well there's room for so much angst tbh. Like the line of the actual book starts with 'All of this has happened before and will happen again' so this boy legit goes in loops with the Darling girls. It's hinted that even Wendy's mum knew him and had adventured with him. And in the end it's mentioned he take Wendy's daugethers for adventures too. Plus the quotes i checked out for this other project i have as pretty bittersweet.Again I love this elaboration and seriously need more lols!

Some OC and Canon Character Relationships for my Peter Pan/Ever After High AU

Peter is an irrepressible extrovert. Why do you think he periodically left his island to make new friends and bring them over before the legacy system? He will be friends with anyone who doesn’t rub him the wrong way first, and even them if they say sorry and he thinks they mean it. (Prejudices like sexism and the bias against villains’ children are just more silly grownup nonsense to him. You should make people sad only for perfectly logical reasons, like if they hurt puppies for fun or won’t give totally deserving immortal boys chocolate they totally deserve. But he’s never properly got the ‘sins of the parent’ thing. Yeah, he fought every Hook from the cycle’s start, but that’s ‘cause every Hook was themselves bad and wanted to fight him first! Right? …Isn’t that how it went?) This whole ‘maturing’ thing is very, very New and Hard and Scary, and he develops a deep fear of losing his nerve on it after coming so far, aware he’s had a consistent habit of forgetting any emotional growth he got in the past. His personal affections are fickle and impulsive day to day, especially in the beginning. His strongest bonds are undoubtedly with Scarlet and Fire Lily. Peter’s beloved or at least admired and appreciated by the masses for his innumerable daring feats, generally nice disposition and of course singlehandedly keeping the cycle of destiny in Neverland turning all this time. However, it can be difficult for him and others to discern between his friends and mere fans. At first, he doesn’t care. What matters is people think he’s cool. The more attuned to how bad the status quo is and how important others’ needs and rights are he becomes, the more he favours Rebels like Raven, Maddie, Kitty, Darling, Cerise, Ramona, Ginger (if you give him good food, he is your friend for life), and Melody. He still loves plenty of Royals as people and slowly learns how to see the world in less black-and-white terms to maintain his friendships with them. Some will find him annoying or bratty, but it’s difficult to truly hate him because, well, if you have an ounce of self-awareness as the Hooks are famously lacking, it seems absurd to hate a child who probably neither knows why you do nor is bothered that you do. Hating people is Not Fun, so he’s reluctant to commit to it, so it’ll tend to be an unsatisfyingly one-sided animosity on your part.

Blondie is eager to interview the illustrious Peter Pan. Always glad to talk about himself, he doesn’t see much problem with her nosiness, pickiness and lack of respect for privacy and appreciated her ability to put an entertaining spin on anything. He sometimes assists her collecting gossip.

Duchess is one of the few who actually do hate Peter. She cannot stand that she’s doomed to a tragic end of loneliness and heartbreak, while his life is an endless procession of fun, freedom and happily ever afters. Plus, he’s a loud, tactless nuisance. He mistakes this for a tongue-in-cheek rivalry and accordingly enjoys teasing her for a long while. Eventually he does figure out Duchess is really hurting, regretfully dropping it, but his usual tactics to make people feel better don’t work with her. Left no other options, he confesses he was kinda attracted to the first Wendy Darling and it hurt him deeply to say goodbye to her forever, so he can’t imagine how awful her destiny would feel. Then they just keep their distance from each other in strange understanding.

Sparrow and Peter get along great. The boy is happy to be a diversion or nimble fellow pickpockets in Sparrow’s thefts. He might want to keep one or two shiny things, but often the look of revelation on the victim’s face is payment enough. This friendship mildly strains Sparrow and Duchess’s relationship.

Scarlet and Faybelle are instant BFFAs. They both noticed they were the most genuinely enthusiastic and happy kids in the first General Villainy lesson and struck up a conversation. Now when Scarlet needs a truly understanding ear (well, it’s more that Faybelle lets her vent and then changes the subject to something different, usually herself, but talking to her always makes her feel better) or just wants some no-questions-asked, no-strings-attached mischief, she knows the Dark Fairy’s daughter has her back. Faybelle cheers her on during her sports games. They help each other with work in their several shared subjects.

Scarlet: I mean, I’m honoured to inherit my father’s role and all, but I don’t want to be just another Captain Hook, you know? I want to be that Captain Hook.

Faybelle: Right? And the Evil Queen stole my mother’s part, so I’m stuck in the shadow of two villains! I can enjoy being evil and still want to be special.

Scarlet: That’s exactly it! You are so much better than the fairies in Neverland.

Faybelle: Of course I am. I’m better than everyone.

Scarlet: Except at piracy!

[They laugh and high five.]

Faybelle isn’t impressed by Peter at first, but after he tells the story of the original Tinkerbell trying to kill Wendy as a funny anecdote in an interview with a very underprepared Blondie, she realizes his moral code is also pretty flexible. So she allows him to tag along with her and his sister a few times, and warms up to him. As long as she stays nice to him and Scarlet he’s cool with all her villainous… quirks and he has many lifetimes’ experience in troublemaking. He has no idea why more people don’t like her. She seems similar to him and almost everyone at school likes him. Having real friends who trust and accept her helps Faybelle a lot, not that she’ll admit it. The chaotic trio confide in each other their respective gradual turns toward morals and the worries and insecurities they give them, like Faybelle’s dissipating hostility to her classmates and crush on Briar, Scarlet’s interest in and protectiveness of her identity besides villainy and piracy and Peter finally catching up on the remorse and empathy he’s been delaying.

Scarlet also befriends Darling (her favourite fencing partner) and Ramona.

Meghan is friends with Ashlynn, who shares her kindness and love of nature, Blondie, who shares her curiosity and secretly wanting more out of her destiny, and Briar, who shares a pack of younger siblings and knows a lot of ways to have pure, undiluted fun. Since she can plan all those parties so flawlessly and keep up with her work while having narcolepsy, Briar must have hextremely efficient organization and time management skills. She’s a mentor of sorts to Meghan.

Fire Lily has never needed a lot of friends, he’s most comfortable with just a few people who understand him and he can come to when he needs to while able to do the same. So he only has a couple friends other than Peter - a childhood friend he’d lost touch with and now becomes a responsible big brother to - Scarlet - a childhood rival annoyingly good at antagonizing him and getting his flawless facade to crack, who he comes to see as a sister through association with Peter - and Meghan - who he has seamless platonic chemistry with on his first day. He bonds with Cedar over their love of art. Her honesty is refreshing and forces him to face and resolve his mistakes and problems; it isn’t always fun, but he knows there’s more to life than fun unlike certain people, and doesn’t back down from the challenge. Ashlynn and Hunter are his allies in environmental activism. Neverland has much better harmony with nature than Ever After, so seeing the mainland’s level of harmful industrialization is quite a culture clash.

I was going through hopper's tag and found this and this is such an intriguing thing. Also turns out 'Raven Queen' is a DND thing too but it sounds cool. I like to think that cause Raven saved Wonderland in Way Too Wonderland, that they grant her the title of Raven (Black) Queen aka legit give her a title, land and other stuff as a reward (though wonderland already got a lotta queens lols) I explore this idea in my fic. Would've been so cool if the new 'Snow White'( I call her Ebony White) from 'Snow White and Rose Red' would be dark haired instead of 'fair-haired' like the og tale so there's rumors the two gal have been switched at birth. (Explore this in my fics too (haven't published it yet. Oof numerous tangents, i Think 'Apple White' came out iconic. Maybe in unverse didn't name her Ivory White cause it was like 'Rose Red' naming tradition (the same colour repeated as a name thing if it makes sense) I was like oof if Apple named her kid 'Poison' or something one time when i was younger cause she was obsessed with being poisoned lols XD (most random thought ever, still proud of younger me) Also for the hopper thing i googled it i cause why not and now i deddd: Hopper Name Meaning English and Scottish: occupational name for a professional tumbler or acrobat, or a nickname for a restless individual with plenty of energy, Middle English hoppere, an agent derivative of Old English hoppian ‘to hop’. German: nickname from an agent derivative of Middle High German, Middle Low German hoppen ‘to limp or stumble’. Dutch: occupational name for a hop grower or seller, from Middle Dutch hoppe ‘hop(s)’ + the agent suffix -er.

Can someone explain the reasoning behind the following names to me?

Apple White - Sure I get it but why Apple? Why not something white like snow (e.g. Ivory) or based on the original description (e.g. Ebony) for example, or a shade of white like with Cerise. If it was Ebony then it could show us the pressure she's under coz she doesn't fit her story's description.

Raven Queen - Where is the Evil Queen's motif a raven? Same with Raven's dragon Nevermore. It's more Wonderland than Snow White.

Hopper - I know coz frogs hop, but is Hopper a common English name or nickname?

Faybelle - Why is it based on a generic word "fable" than specific to her role in her story like the other characters?

Please and thank you! 💖

Edit: Edgar Allen Poe not Wonderland, my mistake :)

TBH we defo needed a long movie so the focus could be on many things. Like this is a major, major thing for the series. The STORYBOOK OF LEGENDS, the book that generations signed and have lived based upon, the book that caused the main conflict of the show. And Raven gives the pages of destiny to people and know they get to choose but also some people who afraid of their destiny must've so scared. Like the villians of some stories and they must be like 'this be nice and all but we aren't as strong to overcome this'. Also i wanna see headmaster grimm lose his ish kinda. Snow and the fairytale kingdoms having a meeting bout this. Apple and Raven were like let's shelf this book and like did the little kids of some fairytales also get their tales from the getgo, that would shape their life a lot. Plus Rae should've been rewarded for saving wonderland twice.

I think the thing with Way to Wonderland was that they tried to fit in a major plot development that just seemed wayy to rushed in the end. The Story Book of Legends is what caused the main overlaying plot in EAH because Raven refused to sign it leading to the whole "Royals vs Rebels" but then in the last like 20 minutes of the movie not only does Raven sign it but she also destroys the book and it just felt so.... underwhelming 🥴

Which EAH book would you like to see animated? I would like to see A Wonderlandiful World, that book is amazing, I mean, it has moments like:

Maddie and her struggle with The Narrators, seeing her father in danger and not being able to intervene. I like to see this side of Maddie, proving that she's not just the crazy girl who is there to cheer everyone up.

Cedar experiencing what it is like to have a human body.

The theater play with Daring and Lizzie acting. That was fun.

Daring and Lizzie's friendship. They were very cute and funny. I would have liked to see them more.

Lizzie with the Vorpal sword. She's just badass ... sometimes I forget she didn't actually kill the Jabberwock but that could have been epic..

Facts 10000000%. A diary of Chase would be so interesting and give a new preseptive. He probs felt lonely. I think he a 'sheltered' prince to the public's mind. When in actuality he obv the red knight is his duty so he knows of people but doesn't get time to mingle. I was so shook when Lizzie and the wonderlandians didn't know him. He knows of people but was really unknown to em and not close

ever think about how not only were we deprived of most of the guys' dolls, but we were also deprived of their diaries? like. can you imagine if we got actual depth to sparrow? humphrey? hopper? they could've found a way to pull off one for tiny if they just thought abt it for long enough. hell, daring got two dolls and yet no diary. can you imagine if we got daring from his own point of view? all the accounts we have of him are either laced with resentment bc he's the golden boy or played for laughs. there's soooooo much wonderland lore in the diaries, can you imagine if we got one from chase, who actually stayed in wonderland after it got sealed off?

THIS IS THE COOLEST!

Peter Pan in Ever After High

Years ago I made some rough draft Ever After High OCs for Peter Pan years ago but then deleted them because they were too cringey. This was before I learned to EMBRACE THE CRINGE (you know, online and anonymously). They were exchange students from Neverland. I can’t remember much, but from what I do I have reconstructed these fanfic concepts and OCS.

Peter Pan is the Peter Pan. His whole character is the Boy Who Wouldn’t Grow Up. He wasn’t planning to grow old, let alone have kids, anyway, and once the legacy system was implemented he was bound by destiny not to too. So while the Hooks and Darlings and (now unisex) Lost Kids and even his fairy sidekicks come and go, Peter never changes. At least, he’s never supposed to. So he’s just been reenacting the events every generation for hundreds of years (the system has to be a good few centuries old) and doing whatever in between, and he thought he was fine with this because the thing a lot of adaptations forget about Peter is he isn’t a straightforward good person. He’s childhood incarnate. Eternally immature. In the original story he doesn’t really understand the weight of death; not just his own, simply saying dying will be “an awfully big adventure”, but others’, thinking nothing of murdering pirates and risking the Lost Boys’ lives in battle on a regular basis. He ambiguously ‘thins out’ the Lost Boys who grow up on him, unable to stand them becoming the what he so hates. In the darkest versions he kills them, in others including this one he just expels and disowns them, but either way it gets the point across. It’s all a game to him. That’s why the Darling kids need to leave him and face the future in the end: the harshness and responsibilities of adulthood come with a much more sophisticated theory of mind, sense of empathy and general grasp of reality. It isn’t that he’s malicious, he just can’t understand that his actions have consequences and sees everyone as side characters or antagonists in his story. Peter doesn’t have good and evil, he has fun and boring. This is all JM Barrie’s characterization. Barrie explicitly says young children are ‘heartless’ by adult moral standards and gain hearts as they grow.

Were he to evaluate the legacy system for a few seconds, all the decidedly un-fun strict repression and burdensome duty, he’d absolutely despise it. He distantly remembers life pre-scripting and it was fine. He’s pretty sure Ever After was fine. He should realize more than anyone how artificial it is. Trouble is he’s a hyperactive, selfish, impulsive preadolescent boy to the power of a thousand, so very easily distracted and bribed by Ever Afterian authorities into compliance before he can do that. All he needs to do is keep living his dream life and act out what he essentially already saw as an extended, dramatic game over and over, after all. They even let him throw in a couple small twists each time! Another factor is that he signed the real Storybook of Legends way back when the first signing event occurred (he drew little stick figure Lost Boys and pirates on the page). And based on how it gave Raven access to the full depth of her magic power, this book, unlike the one Apple signed, is supernaturally effective. So Peter’s inability to learn from his experiences or emotionally mature has partly been enforced by the book. He doesn’t think too hard and stays stagnant in his childishness.

What changes is the current Captain Hook sees an opportunity. Though he hates Pan, he hates the thought of his daughter Scarlet losing her hand and being tormented by a crocodile for the rest of her days even more. Peter is naive and malleable enough to be swayed against the legacy system and powerful and influential enough to possibly get their story removed from the list. He doesn’t care for Peter or anyone else outside his family (‘Freedom from destiny but only for me I think. The rest of you are on your own.’). Swallowing down the urge to stab the boy on sight, he encourages Scarlet to become his friend at a young age. The island is pretty insular between the retellings of the story so he gets away with it. For comedy points, Hook instructs Scarlet on how to hide her heritage, painfully aware Peter is cleverer than he looks, and then Peter just never asks her last name. She’s soon practically a Lost Girl. She eventually starts to wear pirate clothes again and phase in pirate slang and lead sailing trips around the bay and expertly fend off jealous mermaids with her cutlass. Peter never bats an eyelid. Until Scarlet is called for the generational transfer of plot-important kids to Ever After High.

Peter: You’re a Hook?!

Scarlet: You didn’t know? I just thought you were being cool and nonjudgmental!

Peter: How was I supposed to know? You didn’t say anything!

Scarlet: I do pirate stuff all the time! I literally wear the red Hook heirloom coat every day!

Peter: A lot of pirates like that kind of coat, I assumed you were some average, background pirate’s daughter!

Scarlet: But you still made me an honorary Lost Girl.

Peter: I’m pert - perpetu - purpley - I’m innocent for forever, duh! Why would I not like you based on how you look and where you’re from? That’s a stupid thing grownups made up.

Scarlet: Then… why do you care?

Peter: (crying) Because now we’re gonna have to not be friends anymore!

Scarlet: Why?

Peter: (furrows brow and stares intensely) Because… well… the grownups from the mainland…

Scarlet: Because they said so?

Peter:

Cut to Milton Grimm sipping tea in his office, ready to commence the school year.

Milton: I suddenly feel something is terribly wrong.

So the requested Neverlandians arrive and to everyone’s surprise living legend Peter Pan tags along! They convince Milton he’ll be a positive influence on the students. Who knows more about following the script than him? He’s actually lived every rerun! The inherent PR boost of the fabled, incredible Peter Pan approving of the school and students’ excitement to meet him doesn’t hurt. Thus Peter is given lodging and exemption from most school rules and on paper social norms. From there, it spirals.

Starring:

Peter Pan, professional chaos gremlin. Biologically, he appears to be ten. Mentally, he’s… complicated. He has tanned rosy skin, brown hair matted and spiky with mud, full of leaves and twigs. He will not wash. That’s both a statement and a threat. His forest green eyes are wide and bright and almost always have a smile in them. His outfit resembles a crude green, brown, black and gold scout leader uniform, cobbled together out of rough organic fabric and fur, complete with a sloppy Lost Kids insignia badge (his teammates have their own, each insignia a unique, unrelated design). He’s a force of nature capable of being stopped only by emotional tactics and his own hubris. Freedom is his most fundamental and initially basically sole value. That and friendship. Impatient and temperamental he may be, with push coming to shove for the first time in centuries he ultimately proves an incredibly loving and loyal friend. He has never been to school, so while his intelligent is sharp it manifests as cunning, disarming social skills provided whoever he’s talking to humours him, and borderline supernatural intuition. He loathes school with a passion. Move over Hook, Milton Grimm is his new nemesis. He’ll make him beg to just have his hand cut off. Unless you’re branded a villain in his story, which in fairness you do have to be actively, repeatedly cruel to earn, Peter genuinely doesn’t have a mean bone in his body and is quick to trust and forgive. Part of the reason the harm he causes doesn’t register at first is his assumption everyone shares his lighthearted worldview and is playing along with him. Over the course of the story he’s dragged kicking, screaming and in utter horror into being able to properly listen to and empathize with people, even when they conflict with him; take things seriously; handle philosophical nuance; respect others’ perspectives and judgements; admit when he’s wrong and work to fix it. All the while he must overcome the crushing identity crisis of ‘I’m the Boy Who Never Grow Up! If I grow up, who am I?’ learn how to preserve the good qualities of childhood and balance them healthily with his new maturity.

Scarlet Hook, daughter of Captain Hook. She has light skin, the Hooks’ trademark long black curls, piercing blue eyes, and wears stereotypical pirate clothes mostly in red and white with a rigging-like skirt and her dad’s coat tied around her waist. She’s a Rebel. Her stated reason is that she doesn’t want to get dismembered and all that, and being a talented athlete who would be set back by the loss of her dominant arm doesn’t hurt, but less vocally she couldn’t bear to betray her playful, teasing yet tight friendships with the others. She’s a big sister to Peter and his accomplice in neutral-to-good self-serving chaos. She has a shrewd pragmatism that offsets his fancifulness. Her favourite sports are fencing, obviously, tennis, British football and hockey. She loves her father, who’s a pretty decent parent if you discount his education in ruthlessness and spite, and the thrill and power of a pirate captain’s life and cared where it counted in his own way. The more violent aspects of it do secretly disturb her, having inherited her dad’s fear of the sight of blood. Plus having a conscience and empathy deep down. But overall taking the Jolly Rodger’s helm someday excites her. She admires Raven Queen for her courage in directly challenging the legacy system whereas Scarlet is more comfortable working from the shadows, using subterfuge, pulling strings and manipulating people. She learns to value others’ rights and fight for the overarching Rebel cause to give all free will, coming into her own as a leader. She simultaneously gradually loses her aversion to openly displaying affection.

Meghan Darling, daughter of Wendy Darling. She has several younger siblings affectionately nicknamed the Darling Horde, busy parents and is widely expected to be mature due to her destiny involving becoming a mother figure to the Lost Kids and later turning down endless youth. This has made her responsible and caring to a fault. She’s on the surface an archetypal ‘mum friend’, but a very exasperated one and actually rather sick of it. It’s left her highly sensitive, easily stressed and with fragile self-esteem - she isn’t as levelheaded as people assume she is. To compensate for her worries she’s developed an escapist side. That’s why she’s a Royal in the destiny debate, because she can’t wait to visit Neverland and have unbridled, fantastical childish fun, although she knows she’ll need to leave afterward. She hopes her experiences there will give her whatever the key to proper maturity is she doesn’t currently have. Meghan is friendly and sociable and tries to show kindness to all. She is also an academic bookworm and massive nerd on the topic of magic, especially its intersection with biology. Her favourite subject is Science and Sorcery. Her growing romantic feelings toward Fire Lily stress her out at first, but she comes to embrace them just in time to see the destiny debate resolved.

Fire Lily, son of Tiger Lily. He is quiet, reserved, dislikes expressing anger and is often misunderstood in Ever After; however, in Neverland he stands out for being sensible and logical (it’s notably different from Wonderland eccentricity, but mainlanders agree there is something off about Neverlandians). The truth is he simply has a steady enough core of self-confidence he doesn’t feel much need for social validation. At his worst, he can be prideful. That said, people usually either listening to him blindly because of his status or dismissing him as a side character without bothering to get to know him does grate on him; he wants to earn every ounce of respect he receives and is a Rebel out of distaste for judging people based on the holes they’re supposed to fit into rather than their individualities personalities. He’s intelligent and perceptive. Being the heir to the Native American community, therefore an important figure in the island’s internal politics, Fire Lily’s life has thoroughly exposed him to human and supernatural drama, leading to sharp sarcastic streak and expecting himself to be able to take new information in stride. When he can’t understand or adjust to something, he tends to panic and want to avoid it. He has a creative spirit and loves to paint and draw. He’s most content doing this. He reciprocates Meghan’s romantic feelings and they officially get together at the concluding party of “Way Too Wonderland”.