
My answer to every question: why not both? I argue semantics because specificity matters, and I tend to take things literally because my brain is spicy as heck. Also, I can't spell. My job is library. I'm moospen on AO3, if you like fanfic.
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Totally Agree With Absolutely Everything Here.
Totally agree with absolutely everything here.
Would I prefer it if some of these things were different? Yes (i dont think the 'always single/boyfriend model' is healthy for fans or idols, personally). Does that mean I'm going to constantly yell about that, or pretend it's not real? No.
The industry is far from perfect. But it does have elements that are wonderful too, and i adore these guys beyond words so I'll support them where they are.
Reality checks in Army
Your fav doesn't inhabit a dystopian world where everyone (fandom, company, members...) universally despised him, with you as their sole supporter.
Your fav is an adult living in a democracy as part of the artistic and affluent elite, with the autonomy to make their own choices, free from external control [maybe you are not because of age or type of culture or society, but he is].
Your fav possesses greater knowledge of the music industry and his career than you do. Respect their decisions and give him credit.
Your fav is just thatāyour favorite. Embrace the diversity of artistic tastes in Army and respect everyone's freedom to choose who they support and stream in this Chapter 2
K-pop incorporates cultural elements like fanservice, skinship, bromance, and the āsingleā idol for his fans, which are inherent to the industry. So, you will always encounter "shippers" "supporters" " solos". Be respectful of the variety because that's the commercial goal of the whole fucking industry.
Thus, avoid adopting a moral high ground; being a "better fan" isn't solely determined by your hours of support/stream. Respect your fav and the diversity of his fan base +
Remember your fav simply asks you for support in their artistic work and respect for their personal boundaries. If you donāt agree, you have the option to step away.
Your fav is surrounded by a robust support network, including family, friends, advisors, counselors, and lawyers who offer professional and personal guidance when needed. They, along with your favorite, know what's best for them, not you.
You might not have affection for the people your fav cares for and decides to share the time with, but you need to respect them. You cannot alter your fav's relationships, no matter how much you wish to reshape reality. At the very least, refrain from insulting their loved ones; that's not to be the good and supportive fan you claim to be.
Your fav is their own person, not a reflection of your desires. They experience their own emotions, not yours. They lead their own life. Focus on appreciating what they offer you, and donāt try to create your own version of him (the fall will be harder)
Embrace a live-and-let-live attitude within the fandom and be respectful.
The joy will be greater š
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If you weren't planning on sobbing today, i have news for you...
Love exists
A few months ago, I received an ask talking about āqueer menā, stating that theyāre known for casual, not-lasting relationships and that they donāt usually commit to a single partner. I donāt remember anonās exact words, but it was so messed up and disrespectful that I decided to post just a screenshot of its first lines, to express my disgust and reply without actually disturbing peopleās timelines with all that shit.
Lately Iāve tried to inform myself more and be more aware of what the members are actually going through. I wanted to distance myself from all the catastrophic, hell-like scenarios people talk about when they refer to the military life; but I also wanted to consider and reflect on that side, for what it is and isnāt, and for what we can (or at least I can) know, because being honest means admitting thatās not the best environment to be in right now. Mentally, physically, politically speaking as well. The worldās a tense nerve and I dare to say the big majority of the men in there would have chosen to stay home, living their own lives. As Jimin said, āitās not like I want to: I have to goā.
Iāve come to terms with the fact that it has to be done, or at least Iām getting there. 4 out of 5 stages of grief. Videos of Namjoon pop up on my twitter and I watch them. I donāt know if Iām supposed to or not, but I do. And my first thought is āI miss himā, even though new music is coming and weāve got content to enjoy of 10+ years worth and itās not like we shared the same neighborhood anyways. But the truth is I miss the life I know heās missing. I almost and probably hyperbolically feel like Iām the one who has to go through intense training and early alarms waiting for a free weekend to visit a museum. Because I know he would choose art if he could, instead of arms.
And the more I think about it, the more my brainās crossed by the same thought-sequence each time: theyāre serving and theyāre away, theyāre gonna settle and come back quickly, I hope theyāre safe.
But with Jimin and Jungkook the thought sequence is different, and I catch my brain correcting itself everytime. Cause sometimes Iām eating and ask myself how Jungkookās doing in those kitchens, and some very often times I start thinking about Jimin cutting his hair the very last day available, and realize how discreetly but honestly he showed his mixed and negative feelings about the departure. I feel the same way I do for the others, that gut thing that hurts my stomach a bit, for a few seconds. Or the resigned expression on my face making me frown.
But then I remember theyāre together. And it was so unexpected for me that even now, now that weāve known for a while, itās not foregone. I need to remember myself it happened, itās happenening, they chose each other, and give myself some selfish comfort.
Theyāre not attached at the hip, thatās a fact. They have different jobs and times, probably interact with different groups of people most of the time and Iām sure theyāre facing individual struggles that the other wonāt as well. Theyāre not on vacation.
But what warms my heart is that theyāre always coming back to each other. Maybe some days are easier and theyāre around each other, but some others are for sure more busy and require them to spend time in different areas of the camp. And even during those times theyāre coming back to each other. At the end of the day thatās their peace.
I think we all imagine ourselves in othersā situations sometimes. I do that often, literally projecting my entire life and body and possible feelings/reactions into theirs. And with the members it happens often, even though my personality is probably similiar to a couple of them. During tours, for example, Iām always wondering āhow would I feel on that big stage?ā, or reading one of their tweet imagining how it feels to post something that gets instantly seen, reposted, commented by thousands and thousands of people.
And since Jin left Iām always thinking āhow would I feel, how does it feel?ā, because I donāt know what Iād do if I was the eldest of the group, the first one to enlist, and medias, journalists, press, public opinion and āfansā all gathered together criticizing me for not being enlisted yet, telling me to ājust hurry up and goā, judging me and putting pressure on me in a way that Iāve probably never experienced before in my long, respect worthy and deserved career. I paved the way for each one of you fools and thatās what I get in return. Iād be mad and exhausted.
With Jimin and Jungkook I tried to imagine how Iād feel if I was thrown in this rough and crazy experience with bullets and everything all over my body, hair cut, number on the helmet and a fucking dog tag around my neck just in case the worst happens, and having someone I love, I know, I trust, I chose to be with, someone Iāve spent years with sharing moments and memories and tears and dreams, fights in the rain and all, by my side. Ending my day in a completely new, challenging, unfair (speaking in terms of principles, above all), uncomfortable environment, and seeing that same face Iāve seen growing changing crying and laughing since we were young dumb and broke. If you let me, that would heal me a little.
Now what I said at the beginning, about anonās ask, concerns exactly this. Iāll never justify those words, never discuss about it, Iām not opened to conversation with that specific person whoever they are. But I have to admit that goes around a lot. Like a lot. āHow can you believe two of the hottest men in Korea have been committed to each other for years?ā, or also āwhy would they commit to each other when they could actually have anyone at anytime everywhere and whenever they want, for one night?ā. And I get it, fast food-love-feelings-everything capitalistic societyās idiot, you want that dopamine now and you want it all just to let it go by the morning and crave it again at night. I see it. Lasting things are boring and who wants to be bored and sad, when you can fly high all the time.
My relaxed, white-flag, fast answer right now would just be that love exists. And Iām talking about every healthy, pure, real form of love. Loving books or loving people, loving your cat or loving your mom. It exists and it must be such a crazy chemical reaction for people to experience, because that love made Jimin and Jungkook respect and take care of each other since 2013, even when we couldnāt see it, when it was fresh, new, when it needed attentions and time and surely made them make mistakes like a kid growing up learning he canāt scream in the streets or make doodles on his houseās walls.
Iāve always seen their love as something theyāve raised together. Because itās easy to fall in love, but loving everyday is a choice and that exact choice for them specifically was harder than it would be for someone else, not in their position. But now I see and believe itās mature. That love which started from teasing and pushing, flirting, refusing trips or hugs but shyly hugging at night sharing the bed, is now a big boy. It will continue to grow up, it could change shape, it could last forever. As partners, as friends, as people who literally built each otherās lives adding pieces of memories to their stories. Jiminās helping Jungkook doing his lifeās puzzle and viceversa and thatās so, so, so tender. Something deep and pure keeps them tied to each other in the most healthy and committed way Iāve ever seen.
When I replied to that anon, someone in the comments (I donāt wanna bother people with any annoying notification, but the username was something like @/onthecuterside. I hope they donāt mind me mentioning), shared something so beautiful and true that itās still stuck in my mind. āIf you want endless repetition, see different people. If you want infinite variety, stay with oneā. A quote from Joni Mitchell. This comment went on talking about the fact that in a long relationship, things die and are rekindled, and this shared process of ārebirthā deepens the love. Itās hard. Sometimes you feel like you canāt stand the person you love anymore and you start thinking theyāre assholes. You look like an asshole to them as well. But once you go through it (Iād add when the love is worth doing so), you get closer, you learn a new way of loving each other, warmer and deeper. And thatās when you understand how much the other means to you.
Iām not under their bed neither Iād want to be. So I canāt say if theyāve already experienced this phase or not. Weāve seen periods of tension and moments that looked like break ups, but I canāt bet on it. The only thing I feel like knowing for sure is that they nurture their love every day, in such a gentle, spontaneous but attentive way, that I canāt even describe it. And itās unique when you realize that, at one point, it doesnāt matter anymore if theyāre actually dating or not, opinions about it all die screaming. Itās love, period, and theyāre proof it exists.
āTheyāll get tired of each other after spending 18 months togetherā. While my actual thought when I realized (because I didnāt realize as soon as I knew) they enlisted together was: ātheyāre gonna fall in love with each other againā. Theyāre gonna crave support and familiarity, someone with their same sense of humor, who understands them and has always done so, theyāre gonna meet new good people who are doing what they have to do, just like them, but none of them could ever compare to someone you met when you were 15. Theyāre gonna need each other and find each other right there.
I know for sure theyāre sitting next to each other before bed time, when the sun is down and that forest-like place theyāre living in goes quiet, and theyāre sharing with each other the new parts of themselves coming out. And thatās when theyāll get to know each other again, and disagree, and relate, and feel understood, seen, heard, and thatās when theyāll have no distractions, absolutely nothing, phone available just for a few hours, and thatās when theyāre gonna fall in love again.
āTheyāll get tired of each otherā. Oh boy. Oh man. They chose each other for years and travelled together before enlisting together, with the companion system they chose to apply to, risking it all and knowing damn well the price they had to pay for it: being together, cool, but in one of the hardest units. And the decision was made anyways. At the end of the day this bond is such a pure celebration of love that nothing touches me anymore. It really was the last piece of the puzzle. They did it privately, quietly, they protected themselves all the time, they had nothing to prove or show to anyone.
When we found out about it, I got reminded of Jungkookās birthday live when Jin brought him grapes. He told Jungkook: āIām the only one visiting you, none else cameā. And Jungkook nodding, laughing, not denying. But when Jin asked him who visited, name by name, Jungkook confessed Jimin and Hobi had actually been there. Man was like āif you ask me Iāll tell you, nothing to hide. Until then, I keep it low and safeā. And Iām not only talking about Jimin. Jungkook didnāt mention Hobi either. Itās just their way of being, their attitude. If people have nothing to do with who visits Jungkook on his birthday or doesnāt, why would he share that?
Because thatās how it works when you have nothing to prove and your relationships work and live beyond the public space. You protect what you gotta protect, do what you gotta do, and what comes out comes out, what doesnāt doesnāt. And of course we need to take consideration of context: Jikook earned a certain status and reputation, but they still have limits and restrictions that we donāt always see.
There are also endless times when Jimin and Jungkook spent time together and we found out months, days, even years later. And this is why I kept saying āthey owe us nothingā to that anon asking how they could ever handle public eye and living together, hypothetically, in the new mansion Jungkookās getting built.
Jimin and Jungkook enlisted together for themselves, they chose it for their own sake and safety. They knew it was gonna come out, and still, no public statements, no justification. No mention except for Jimin, rapidly, the day before leaving. But why would they? They didnāt do it for us. For you. We have nothing to do with this weāre just sticking our noses in. Iām doing it too lol.
So next time people will piss me off about their bond and love, Iāll follow Jimin and Jungkookās rules. I do my shit, stay sane and cool, leaving the bitching outside the door. Cause at the end of the day itās me and my baby that matter, not their moaning. At the end of the day this should have never turned into a ship proving type of thing, into a fandom war, goddamn we shouldāve all celebrated it. Treat it with care. All we should be thinking about is for them to stay safe, healthy, sane, praying and hoping theyāll be back before the world fucking explodes.
And if there was a better and warmer way to go through all of this, all the fear and discomfort, and it was together, I canāt see why Jimin and Jungkook shouldnāt have chosen it. I canāt see why people canāt appreciate things worth of support, despite personal opinions or shipping sides. While youāre kicking your feet people keep loving each other and doesnāt it feel like a waste of energy to you?
Iām just so glad love exists, and Iām really willing to gradually stop caring of anything else outside and stay on my floating island cheering for it. Avoidant coping mechanisms but I swear Iāll speak up if needed. Iām just glad I can witness its pure nature between these two young men, in different ways everytime among them all, and Iām glad weāre always talking about choices here, nothing like codependency or toxicity. Iām so glad I can acknowledge this is way too special and delicate to become or be treated as everything itās not, except for what it is.

World Wide Sweetheart šKim Seokjinš
I am so endeared that he's barely been home 24 hours and he's chosen to do this for FESTA.
He's hugging 1000 people. A THOUSAND PEOPLE!
The company wanted him to hug 50 people...
He's the only person i know who could negotiate from 50 up to 1000.
The man knows his power...
and he uses that power to give out free hugs
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Totally, and those edits fed the unhealthy obsession by flat-earthers, and the belief that JK was a victim. And the flat-earthers LOVE a victim narrative because it puts them in a position of power and makes them heroes for exposing the "truth" and trying to rescue the infant they still think JK is.
One of The Narratives That Turned Canon
Why Jungkook not liking Jimin, when they were younger, is NOT true.


Images like this would circulate and be used as 'evidence' as to Jungkook's dislike for Jimin.
The narrative that Jungkook didnāt like Jimin and that Jimin annoyed/harassed Jungkook, always stemmed from cut off footage, jokey pictures or lack of understanding.




It needs to be remembered that the Rap Line joined Big Hit first, whilst the rest APART from Jimin joined in 2011.
Jimin was the last to join the trainees, around mid 2012. Being the last to join such an intense atmosphere of training, competition and comradery, we can understand that Jimin should have been the odd one out, the one that the trainees would have had the least shared experiences with, the least emotional bonds been the one that would have stuck out from the 'pack.'




The order of the members, as they joined Bangtan, with Jimin completing the group to form the 7 that we now know and love.
The Maknae of the group, Jungkook, had been taken under the wing of the hyung of the group, Jin, who protected him, gave him home comforts by taking him back with him to his family home, which was the closest to the dorms and treating him to meals, as the trainees had yet to make much money.
The maknae had also formed a close bond with the second youngest of the group Taehyung, who when he wanted to goof around and feel his age, he could count on him, who was the more extroverted out of the two and so would bring out different sides to Jungkook, that Jungkook couldn't display on his own and who helped in bringing the younger boy out of his shell.
For Jungkook he found cool, minor celeb underground rapper with a genius IQ and tall manly presence in Namjoon. He found the steady, unassuming presence in Yoongi, knowledgeable in the behind the scenes of music production with a pool of general knowledge also. He found in Hobi the cool street dancer who he could learn from and show sides of his self that he couldn't with the other five, a Hyung that by Jungkookās own words provided him the most comfort before Jimin became that person to him.



Such a cutie!
People have often believed and carried on with an image of a quiet and mysterious, dark clothed, testosterone filled 'Alpha', when it comes to Jungkook.
He has been called out time and time again by his Hyungs and fans in their early days about his blunt personality, tone and delivery.


But Jungkook was and still is the embodiment of a classic shy introvert.




Heās taken several MBTI tests over the years (there are varied opinions on the validity/reliability and truth of these tests). One thing has remained consistent through them all, the āIā for Introversion.
JK was young, introverted and SHY! Look at this BB titled āJungkook Shy, shy, shyā.
Jimin came into the company and with his wonderful personality, amazing talent and genuine nature, he quickly formed bonds that cemented the 7. Though there were likely many misunderstanding amongst the seven young, hormonal men, all in a new and charged environment.

Rainy Day - both accounts

Jungkook DID find a hyung to look up to in Jimin
A person who would take him under his wing and protect him
A person to help and motivate him in his dance
A person he could be young, wild and free with
A person he could be himself with and feel the lowest of the low and the highest of the high with.

Jungkook wanted to quit being an idol to be a dancer???

ENG TRANS: āI will have a nice business trip to the US. Jimin will take good care of me.ā
Though Jungkook was and still is, according to himself, an introvert, he gets moments where he leaps out of his comfort zone, not because he has to (like for example, for work) but because he wants to
Though Jimin has INCREDIBLE emotional intelligence *now* it didn't come from birth, it would have been developed and deepened over time.
In the early years of their bond, what we have witnessed third hand, are some of the workings that went towards the development of their emotional understandings of each other, how their bond evolved in front of people, what needed to be said and not said in front of others.
But make no mistake, they BOTH were fond of each other and equally sought out each others presence, for comfort, for fun, for motivation, for advice, for good times and bad.
The myth was that Jungkook didn't like Jimin in the early days and that they weren't close.
The truth is that, they were the closet of the whole group.


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This is a blog version of a twitter thread I did

Interesting Links:
Part 1
Part 2
Do u think Jikook will ever do a collab? For an MV I mean.
Their voices mesh really well. And their dance styles while very very different is not incompatible.
Also their on screen chemistry (the reasons for that can be debated lol) is 100/100.
If they do an MV, it would break charts easily.
It doesnt even have to be romantic or queer-coded. Just them being best buds, going on a bro trip, having time of their lives singing and being silly would suffice. .
Yesssss, that would be AMAZING! I really do hope we get something like this. Maybe it was part of their NY trip, that would be so awesome. Their voices do sound beautiful together, and their energy and chemistry is electric šššššš
Park Jimin and his weaponised cuteness.
Jimin scooting away from the staff on his wheely-chair is my serotonin today

How is he this cute?
HOW? I DEMAND AN EXPLANATION!!

He refused to take the lyric sheet for Tony Montana. "There's no need," he said, before zooming out of reach with a huge grin.
I cannot love him more.
I CANNOT.
Especially in that beanie.

Original: https://x.com/eong39/status/1799155066739499273